Racing Pigeon, Linage Of Bob Kinney Of Silverado Loft U.s.a.
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Racing Pigeon, Linage Of Bob Kinney Of Silverado Loft U.s.a.
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P3,000.00 - Date Posted: December 20, 2011
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RARE LINAGE AND VERY LIMITED HARD TO FIND BIRDS OF THE LATE BOB KINNEY OF SILVERADO LOFT.
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“GOOD SAMARITAN”
Brief History of An American Family of Racing Pigeons
The Silverado Family of Racing Pigeons
©By Silvio Mattacchione BA MA
No good deed goes unrewarded” which is often spoken ,I believe is in fact a truism. When an individual goes out of his way to do what is morally right and just. When one does so freely and unencumbered. When one expects nothing and wants nothing in return the fates or the muses have, on many occasions a way of compensating, that good deed that is most unexpected, actually so unexpected that it can be life changing. So it was with the beginnings of that unique family of “American” racing pigeons now generally referred to as the “Silverado Family” or often mistakenly called the “Silverado Janssen’s”.
The single event that lead to the founding of this highly successful family was unexpected and certainly at the time very tragic and frightening. Our story actually beginnings over 30 years ago in Arizona. It begins when a pigeon fancier in Arizona had an unfortunate “heart attack”. Imagine suffering such a debilitating event and having no one to care for the birds you so carefully cared for, for so many years. This was in fact the situation when a very young local fancier, lets call him “Bob” decided to help a fellow fancier in need. Bob cleaned, fed, cared for and trained this gentleman’s birds during the entire length of his recovery (and thankfully he did recover).The recovery was a long and slow process, but Bob persevered and this Arizona fancier was so thankful that he insisted that “Bob” choose two cocks from his extensive (and I do mean extensive as there were 307 young cocks in those sections) late bred sections as a sign of his enormous appreciation.
Well our friend “Bob” refused, said that compensation was neither expected nor necessary. Well the fancier would not hear of it and he made it abundantly clear that “Bob” had to pick himself to late hatch cocks; after all it was just the “right thing” to do! Well “Bob” relented.”Bob” went through every one of those 307 young cocks and somehow eventually completed this seemingly daunting task and in fact selected two. So off goes our recovery Arizona fancier to look up the pedigrees on these two youngsters and much to his utter amazement our friend “Bob’ had in fact chosen two “full “brothers from two separate rounds. Pretty unlikely given the numbers to choose from, but that is in fact exactly what happened all those long years ago. What makes this story even more interesting is that the sire of these two young cocks was none other than a direct son the now legendary “DONKERE STEIR” an incredible half brother to the “OUDE MERCKX”. The dam of these two young cocks was the fanciers famous “FRILL KLAK HEN”. What are the chances of a person picking two brothers under these circumstances? Not very likely! Yet it did occur. The fancier was shocked, after all even 30 or mores years ago he sold this breeding for between $1000.00 and $2000.00 US each. The brother of these young cocks had in fact just won “National Hall of Fame”.
![]() | The fancier asked this “Good Samaritan” if it was OK for him to take only one. “Bob” our “Good Samaritan” agreed replying “certainly I did not expect anything”. Well it took “Bob” another 30 minutes to decide which cock he would take and as you know, it often happens that in these types of situations you often “choose the wrong one”, so it was that the final choice was left to chance, to fate, to the muses, and a coin was tossed and “Bob” went home with one cock. But not just any cock and time would prove this out very clearly. So just who is this Good Samaritan “Bob” that we are referring to? Well it just happens to be “Robert Kinney” and that young cock was eventually to become know as the “Silverado Stier”! |
![]() | B ob Kinney would eventually become known throughout the world he traveled and wrote articles for the sport for year’s .Eventually he started his own magazine called “The Thoroughbred”. The highlights of his career would eventually include National and International honors but I think the foremost in Bob’s estimation was in fact the eventual success of “The Great Lakes Scholarship Program” that he started. | ![]() |
Bob had begun his career in the “racing pigeon sport” around 1962 with a Stassart family of birds. They won for him and Bob was an average flyer but at least he was not last on the sheet. Then He purchased a black Stichelbaut hen. This hen produced many winners mated to three different cocks, her young won over and over. Bob had this family of birds all based on this hen for about 10 years. Bob would eventually write the following regarding this early period in time:
| GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE “Janssen brothers always have claimed that the only pigeon they successfully imported in their loft was the so-called 'Halve Fabry’ ('Half Fabry') B-60-1000863. 'Halve Fabry' is the grand grandfather of world famous 'Oude Merckx' (B-67-6282031) and 'Oude Merckx' is father of '019' and of 'Jonge Merckx'. Janssen brothers got 'Halve Fabry' from Mr Fabry who bred it off a Janssen bird (so it could also have been called 'Halve Janssen' and a hen of his own (B-59-1005026) which Fabry got from… Jos van den Bosch. It was a daughter of his 'Young Princess' (B-57-6327825) and 'Young Princess' was a daughter of Jos van den Bosch's 'Princess of 56'. 'Princess of 56' was a sister of the mother of 'Oude van den Bosch' of Karel Meulemans! Can you imagine that?The world famous Janssen pigeons are related to the world famous Meuleman pigeons. The connecting link is 'Princess' a pigeon of Jos van den Bosch who also supplied Huyskens van Riel with their 'Dream Team' shortly after World War 2 so: -Janssen and Meulemans both live in the town of Arendonk. -Janssen and Meulemans both had a miracle bird called 'Merckx'. - Both these miracle birds descend of 'Princess' of Jos van den Bosch. The bloodline of 'Princess' is not only in Janssen's Merckx, 019 etcetera. 'The Halve Fabry' which I mentioned before is father to that wonder bird 'Oude Witoger' (B-65-6371172) which won 15 first prizes and 'Oude Witoger' is father of 'Oude Raket' etcetera.” Reference: The Meuleman's Story (part 1) by Ad Schaerlaeckens So as we can see the “Silverado Stier” the original Foundation Sire of the “Silverado Family” being a son of the famous “Donkere Stier” who is a half brother to the “OUDE MERCKX” is in fact a descendant of this very same “Meuleman’s “Princess line”. Bob’s experience is founded on five national champion loft awards, called “President Cups” in America, and many national “Hall of Fame” racing pigeons that have all been related that were the result of his “Silverado Family”. Kinney’s loft and birds are known in many parts of the world and they have won in Holland, China, Taiwan, and South Africa as well as Canada and the United States to mention only a few. They have won over water, over mountains and over the plains…. Two of the “Silverado Family” birds, sold at public auction as late bred’s bred the winner of the “Sun City Million Dollar Pigeon Race” in South Africa for “Qualls” of the USA. This event, without a doubt is the most coveted event in the Racing Pigeon World carrying along with the glory the enormous 1st place prize of $200,000.00 US. That winning bird was “Silverado family" a Janssen/Gordon family and it was about 10 minutes out in front of the next bird. They came that day one at a time. No doubt about whom was out front and where they were that day. Less than a dozen lofts in the world have ever have bred the first place winner of this race e. I fully expect that some year soon; Bok Kinney’s “Silverado Family” family will do it again. “….To put my thoughts on breeding into the very simplest of examples.Consider the following. Image a jar in front of you with gold dollar coins in it. Imagine that each gold dollar coin represents a winner gene and you want to reach into that jar and pull out another winner. There are say 20 gold dollar coins in that jar. So long as there are only gold coins in that jar , every time you reach into it you will pull out a winner. So lets imagine that you now decide to bring in a cross, unproven, an unknown quantity, that you now mix into your loft ( or jar).So now your jar is full of the 20 gold coins to which you have just added 20 copper pennies. So it is easy to understand that your odds of pulling a winner out of your jar have just been reduced by 50%.Now do that for another generation because the bird that you imported or bought cost so much and is claimed to be so good and you now have say 60 copper pennies and the same 20 gold coins.If you multiply the number with even more unknown gene packages and the likelyhood of ever finding one of those gold coins is even further reduced.The above is a formula for life long mediocrity. When I found that super pair I literally culled everything and worked with that pair and their children.Some were proven as youngsters others were bred for stock.I proceeded to mate them together because I had no choice.With a total of seven pair I started over.I was LUCKY enough to find the “gold mine” my jar was full of gold coins… Over the years I have twice cut back to seven pair only.Each time resulted in a leap forward in performance…” Bob Kinney “(Nature is not on your side). Nature never progresses from less order to greater order, but always from order to disorder. In the hands of the originators of these families, we had a certain (lesser or greater) degree of order. Eventually, in the hands of the mass of fanciers worldwide, we naturally revert to disorder, or what I referred to as common form. Whatever qualities these masters fixed to lesser or greater degrees was eventually diluted and lost in the hands of lesser fanciers. It really takes very few generations for this to happen-as little as one or two in most cases. Most fanciers love to race. Once the season is over, for the most part so is their interest for yet another year. They really just love to see them come home. Most fanciers are not dedicated to a lifetime of trying to achieve a specific breeding goal-the result of which may be total failure in the end anyway. The old adage is that "half the fun is getting there." As for me, win or lose, I will continue undaunted, mating father/daughter, brother/sister, looking for that most elusive of all qualities, a pretty face. Each year they look more and more like peas in a pod, each year more structural uniformity, each year prettier faces; what more can you ask?” Reference: http://www.silvio-co.com/pigeons/strains.htm
… Many call it a Janssen family but I never have. It is my family and a Janssen/ Gordon family….I think that anything can race 200 km and if it traps fast, it could win. When you are talking 800 to 1200 km, it is the pigeon. It must have the brains and the stamina. In my many years of racing, the greatest test of which my good long distance birds will be in the future is young bird races over 325 miles (480 km). For whatever reason and I don't know the answer or why this is so but I find it is. Races at 450 km have different winners than races from 480 km. My very best long distance young and old bird racers come from birds that have flown or bred the winners at races over 480 or 500 km. "Asia” who was a son of national champion "1505" when mated to the "1515 Hen" so he is about a quarter Gordon went on to become the foundation cock for the next generation or two of the Silverado Family. "Asia" won first combine at 930 km… Bob and his son James probably have the best breeding Gordon hen in this country, the "483" hen. Major winner after major winner came off of her and off her kids when on the Silverado family. “483” bred the “Little Belgium” winner.1st place winner when mated to “Blue Asset”.Her daughter is the “17” hen who has won 2 times 1st by from 10 to 25 minutes out in front at 323 miles against some of the finest racing pigeons in the country.” 483” herself is a 1st place winner at 350 miles…. “You can't see it or recognize that gene in either the racer or the breeder, until racing is underway. That is our test. Our window to the genetic package that a bird carries. Few in the world are they pigeons, dogs, horses, or people get that gene but if it is in the family and it is nurtured and intensified, it will show up. As breeding progresses from year to year and selection is based on winning or breeding winners, it will get stronger and stronger. Numbers are important--to the extent that the more birds you breed from that carry this gene, the more likely that gene will get passed on to the young…If I leave something behind in the pigeon sport worthwhile, I hope it is a family of pigeons that pass this championship gene on for generations to come. I know they have it. In all my travels, I also know there are great race records and great individual birds but a family is a rarity and that is the one key ingredient to maintaining the champion gene from generation to generation. The objective now is for me is to find and intensify the gene that makes the difference between winning and being at the top over and over, and being out front and alone. Leaving even the champions behind. It is there. I have seen it. Raced it. Bred it. So for the next 20 years, I plan to intensify it…It is where the goal is set that makes the first step in accomplishment. Then the attainment comes along because of the genes… Bob Kinney One Champion with good care will make you famous for two or three years. The rest of the birds in the loft are just there to scare your competition. Take care of them so the champion can show himself. Bob Kinney When I started racing pigeons I did very well. I worked, had a great mentor and then I worked some more. I also had little "compassion". The birds marvel to me was not just returning home, it was returning home at a winning speed. When that first champion came along, it was such an eye opener or brain opener to me that it changed not only my perspective of pigeon breeding and racing, but of all things in life. It set the standard higher and the goals way out there. When you think about it, here is a little bird that has inherited something inside that puts him above others of his kind. A bird that is not just having a good day, but has good days over and over. Every other bird on the team is basically treated equally and yet something special in this bird's make up allows it to get home first. First, at a speed that always keeps it either in front or near the top, over and over even when conditions are not in its favor. One time may be luck but to repeat that is something inside that creature. I was a kid at the time. As I looked around my world, people had that same quality. A very few but some. Some dogs. Some horses. Something special that set them apart in some manner from their peers or kind. Made me wonder if I had it inside me as well. This has made my life an exploration and made me willing to both try and put all of me into many different things to search for the champion quality within myself. It has made me acutely aware of it in others and maybe more important I think it made me appreciate excellence in areas of life that many pass on by. It is not a movie or a movie star I remember or admire. Not even a sport or sport figure. Certainly they may have a champion quality but of what value in the universe. I have different "heroes". Bob Kinney “James Kinney” I believe that you were one of those heroes…I know your dad loved you above all else! Silvio Mattacchione
| “In those years, Janssen's were the BIG NAME. Everybody was winning with Janssen. Everybody was selling Janssen. I tried many and as soon as the race got long or the day got hard, they were lost or if they came back they were ruined. I did not like them. Plus I was flying in "Gordon Country". Every loft and there were 70 in our club and over 150 in our combine had some Gordon’s. Not me as they were little, ugly pigeons, with poor eye sign and only raced well when it was a difficult day. They won at 800 yards a minute and under. I thought in those days a pigeon could walk faster than that. At 700 yards a minute flying, they would surely fall out of the sky. However, many of our races were very slow and difficult. Many days the birds had to come through rain and headwind. Even snow, in old bird races and very hot in young birds. It was a very tough course. In those days, we also did not have the weather knowledge and forecasting that we have now so birds went up under all conditions. Throughout the years, the most coveted racing wins were at the distance. 500 miles (800-900km) and up. We often flew two to four 800 to 1000 km races each 10 weeks and many years a 1500 km race. I even organized a race from Alaska to Chicago one time that was 3,500 km over the Rocky Mountains. What I noticed in those days was I could win below 700km but I could not get the birds to win over that distance. The Gordon’s always beat me. Sometimes they beat me very bad. It was embarrassing. Finally, I went to my best friend who was the champion on the long races and he gave me four of his Gordon pigeons. I really did not like them at all. However, the next old bird season, I won an 800-km race with a yearling from them. That was it. I had learned something. It takes the right pigeon to win on the course. Not all pigeons would do it no matter how good they may be. Just like dogs have special talents to themselves. Just like people have special talents. Our racing pigeons must be able to race the course and handle the task they are given. I kept my Stichelbaut family but used Gordon on them.”
“Blue Pride and the “Silverado Stier” over a number of years bred 12 1st place winning children, as well as National Award winning pigeons however their children, virtually without exception bred 1st place after 1st place winners for Bob and a host of other fanciers. Bob never claimed that he had anything special that he brought to the table.He credited his foundation pair totally.He would often say that he got two superior pigeons that when mated together were possessed of a “genetic package” that was truly awesome. From this pair Bob mated together a brother and sister, the special mating was the “540” cock X “the 1710” hen which was his full sister.It was without a doubt the greatest move Bob could have made.This pair produced winner after winner and their children were even better breeders than their parents. Somehow the “genetic package “ was intensified. “Honey” Current Silverado Family Foundation hen. Dam of over 30 firsts that we know of, and grand dam and great grand dam to countless. She is a truly great, great hen. Her mother is the legendary “1515 Hen”. Her half brother is “Asia”- first 600 miles and foundation cock. Her nest mate is the “Klak Cock” sire of 11 first. I sold her as a squeaker out of the nest to a fancier Dick Crawford. Mr. Williams purchased her years later on Crawford’s death. For Mr. Crawford, she bred over 20 different first. For Mr. |
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| posted on December 20, 2011 06:54AM | |
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joel0120
| sir mike kelan ba salang nian pareserved ng slot? |
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| posted on December 20, 2011 07:49AM | |
| blackslacks1986 | CGE BRO UNA KA SA SLOT. ung 1 day old chick..stock ko muna yan..2nd clutch sa iyu...limited lang ito...tnx...3t per chick bro....ingat |
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| posted on December 20, 2011 02:47PM | |
joel0120
| blackslacks1986 posted on December 20, 2011 08:49AM CGE BRO UNA KA SA SLOT. ung 1 day old chick..stock ko muna yan..2nd clutch sa iyu...limited lang ito...tnx...3t per chick bro....ingat
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| posted on December 20, 2011 05:09PM | |
blackslacks1986
| ok bro...ung 2nd clutch pag isahan nyu ni edgar..1 chick lang din sya eh...bro mga february 2012. Message appended on December 20, 2011 06:14PM ganito 1st crack sa iyu bro joel at ung 2nd crack k edgar para fair. since na una ka sa kanya sa slot. message updated December 20, 2011 05:14PM |
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| posted on December 20, 2011 05:40PM | |
joel0120
| blackslacks1986 posted on December 20, 2011 06:09PM ok bro...ung 2nd clutch pag isahan nyu ni edgar..1 chick lang din sya eh...bro mga february 2012. Message appended on December 20, 2011 06:14PM ganito 1st crack sa iyu bro joel at ung 2nd crack k edgar para fair. since na una ka sa kanya sa slot.
medyo malayo pa naman makakaipon pa hehehehe abisuhan mo na lang ako pag-isasalang muna salamat |
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| posted on December 21, 2011 12:35PM | |
helms
| Bro, thanks advice mo nalang ako sa offsring. Si EdgarS ito....
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| posted on December 22, 2011 08:28PM | |
| blackslacks1986 | ok bro edgar tnx Message appended on December 22, 2011 09:30PM RESERVATION IS FULL....STOP SELLING NA PO!!!! THANKS SA MGA PUMILA...UPDATE KO NA LANG PO KAYU!!!! THANK YOU!!!! Message appended on December 22, 2011 11:12PM A Short Study of Breeding The Philippines and the Million Dollar Race The Olympic Event of Pigeon Racing Will the Philippines Win The Million Dollar Race This Year???????? by Bob Kinney The Philippines has always been a silent world leader in every area of society from culture, to industry and business to especially racing pigeons. Unknown to much of the world, this is a center of development. They are often over shadowed by other countries but it is a shrewd planned positioning of the people to remain in the background and simply get things done correctly. Racing pigeons is very different in every country and over time, the methods and the techniques used adapt to that country. Reflecting on Quality-- QUALITY, be it the people, ethics or the quality of the pigeon, never diminishes. Champion racing pigeons are champion racing pigeons the world over. Many are winners, but champions only come in some families. It is in the genes and discovered by racing. In the Philippines, the birds are bred originally from the distance stock. Many countries except maybe some areas of the US where they still fly 500 to 1000 mile races as a part of the schedule (800 to 1500 km events). Long distance of at least 800 km is still the building block of the future foundation of champions, even for sprint racing. Much of the world has discovered that sprint racing is fun but you must breed those sprint champions from a foundation of distance racers or they are soon gone. I live in Oklahoma, in the West, for the last year, but for nearly 30 years, I flew in the Rockford club in the Midwest. The home of the Gordon family of pigeons. In all my travels of the world and I have been overseas 8 times this past year to visit pigeon fanciers, I have never found a family of birds that will match this family for toughness over so many decades of racing. Background for Breeding Practice- I must forgo some modesty so the reader knows the merit of what I am to say. My experience is founded on five national champion loft awards, called President Cups here, and many national Hall of Fame racing pigeons that have all been related. My loft and birds are known in many parts of the world and have won in Holland, China, Taiwan, and S. Africa. They have won over water, over mountains and over the plains. I relay this so that the reader, who may not be familiar with the Silverado family, can understand the basis for my thinking. He may not agree but I hope he will read it through and see what he thinks. Breeding is the most critical aspect of our entire racing experience. The racing results are a product of our breeding and our knowledge, but if you do not have something great to start with, all the knowledge in the world will not help you win first place. That is what has been my loft logo for more than 20 years with this family of pigeons: Win Races or Breed Race Winners. No exception. As I have studied my breeding practice, a pattern has come to light that I can see. The past 6 or 7 years, I have had many wins where conditions did not favor my loft. Where I should have been down the sheet if you are one that thinks that race condition and location determines a winner. I do not. I think and have always thought that if I had a bird come out of the race basket and head straight for home, he had a chance to win the race. It must also be strong enough. It must be very fit. It must be on the correct course or line for home (brains and homing instinct). It must be able to endure a pace that it sets the entire distance. It must be able to fly at a speed that keeps it in front of the rest of the birds the entire distance. Those are the things I look for when I analyze the birds in my loft. In the past 6 or 7 years, my birds have won at least 20 races on days that did not favor them. Someone else or many lofts had an advantage that day based on the weather and conditions. When I start looking at this statistic, I think to myself, I must know why. What line within the family is doing this. Is it one pigeon behind it all or is it two or several. Since virtually every bird in the loft comes from one of two different origins, then I must sort out who is behind these victories.
The Origin---- I hope the reader will stay with this as I think it may be important. I started with a Stassart family of bird's 40 years ago. They won for me and I was an average flyer. Not a champion but not last on the sheet. Then I purchased a black Stichelbaut hen. This hen produced many winners for me. Mated to three different cocks, her young won over and over. I had this family of birds all based on this hen for about 10 years. I learned something at this time. It did not take 75 pairs of birds of various breeding to win. It took one great bird and some mates for it that worked. Then the children of that great bird would carry on. I cleaned out the entire loft except of birds related to this hen and kept a total of 10 pair to rebuild around. Some had proven themselves. Some had not. It was a risk but I had my great hen. I knew I was going to win more than my share just from her and her children on the race team. In those years, Janssen's were the BIG NAME. Everybody was winning with Janssen. Everybody was selling Janssen. I tried many and as soon as the race got long or the day got hard, they were lost or if they came back they were ruined. I did not like them. Plus I was flying in "Gordon Country". Every loft and there was 70 in club and over 150 in combine had some Gordons. Not me as they were little ugly pigeons with poor eye sign and only raced well when it was difficult days. They won at 800 yards a minute and under. I thought in those days a pigeon could walk faster than that. At 700 yards a minute flying, they would fall out of the sky. However, many of our races were very slow and difficult. Many days the birds had to come through rain and headwind. Even snow in old birds and very hot in young birds. It was a very tough course. In those days, we also did not have the weather knowledge and forecasting that we have now so birds went up under all conditions. Throughout the years, the most coveted racing wins were at the distance. 500 miles (800-900km) and up. We often flew two to four 800 to 1000 km races each 10 weeks and many years a 1500 km race. I even organized a race from Alaskato Chicago one time that was 3,500 km over the Rocky Mountains. What I noticed in those days was I could win below 700km but I could not get the birds to win over that distance. The Gordons always beat me. Sometimes the beat me very bad. It was embarrassing. Finally, I went to my best friend who was the champion on the long races and he gave me four of his Gordon pigeons. I really did not like them at all. However, the next old bird season, I won an 800-km race with a yearling from them. That was it. I had learned something. It takes the right pigeon to win on the course. Not all pigeons would do it no matter how good they may be. Just like dogs have special talents to themselves. Just like people have special talents. Our racing pigeons must be able to race the course and handle the task they are given. I kept my Stichelbaut family but used Gordon on them.
The Steps Up to a close bred winning family--- In the very early 1970's, I was given a Janssen cock. He was a direct grandson of the Donkere Stier on his sire side and Klak Janssen all rest of the way. I did not want him but it was a situation where I could not refuse. I mated him to a Stichelbaut/Gordon hen that I had. Used that pair as a pumper (foster parents) for the first two rounds of eggs. Then I raised a pair off them. That pair of babies, I gave to a friend of mine to fly. One of them won first as a young bird at 550 km. The other one won the next year first at 800 km. By now, the hen was already gone. I had sold her or something. I thought maybe this cock was something special and I started to look for a hen for him. Not from my family but from the Janssen family. Since I traveled for the sport and wrote for magazines in the sport, I knew many many fanciers. In California I found a hen. Very special but still young. I ask the fancier to send me two babies off of that hen mated to what he thought was his best cock. This was a Klak Janssen family and very good at the middle and long distance there in California. However, it was a fast course and the birds had the ocean on one side and the mountains on the other. They could not get lost. So I did not know if they would fly in the Midwest, through storms, weather fronts and bad weather. I did not know if the homing ability was strong enough. If they take the wrong line just a few degrees off from the line for home, they can fly for 2000 miles off course, over land till they hit the ocean. They must come on a direct line. I did not know. I trained the babies I got from the California fancier and like one so much that after the season, I just put her to stock to go onto this Janssen cock. One pair of Janssens could not hurt my loft. If good, I would keep them and if not, they would go like so many other Janssens did. Out of the loft to the waste can. That very first year, I bred six from the pair and five of them won for three different lofts. I had something but they had not yet been to the distance. These were the races that I wanted to win. I had already in the years past won so many of the middle races; it was the distance that I had a hunger to have victory in. "Slade" was one of the first young cocks I got from the pair. He won a young bird race and then was lost for four weeks. I thought, that is it. They are no better than the other Janssens around the world. I flew 12 widowhood cocks and had an empty box so when he came back, I put him into the widowhood loft and forgot him. He was just there. He must fly or die basically. That next spring as a yearling, I sent him to four different 800 km races on three different courses and he won one of them and scored in the top 10 on the others. Now, I knew I had something. I bred him and his young were no good. However, because he had flown so well, I bred 6 late hatches off his parents. So they were all in the stock loft as well. A new family plus the old family. I mated these six various ways. To the Stichelbauts and to the Gordons. One pair of brother and sister together. From the Stichelbauts, I got nothing that flew well. The brother sister pair only bred one that flew well. However, the two pairs that were Gordon and Janssen cross, bred me birds that won in young birds five of the 11 races I flew. 800 yards a minute through 1700 yards a minute. I thought wow! However, I was still not convinced. I certainly did not realize that I had stumbled by accident the foundation of a family that would in the years to come make me known around much of the world. My breeding was planned. It was test, test, test. However, it was not genius or smart.
It was luck. I had the right pigeons in the loft to put together and I put them together every which way possible and I raced them. Over the next year or so, many races for myself and other fanciers that had the birds from me for testing were to be won, including a national champion daughter came from the original pair. Finally, the light bulb in the brain came on and became bright. I got rid of all the Stichelbauts. Everyone of them. There was about 35 pair at that point in time. I went to 7 stock pair. Huge risk to my future again. That was the original Janssen pair. Several of their sons and daughters that were never raced. Just bred for stock. Plus an old Gordon cock that I really did not like. My purpose now was to build a family. I insisted in my mind that if they were good, then inbreeding the brothers and sisters would work and the genetic package would be stronger the next generation. Some of the inbreds were good. Not great but good. All of the babies from the Gordon Cock and one of the Jannsen hens were great. One became a national champion. I was now a strong force on the long distance races. Depending on the day. It could be a Janssen straight but most often was a Janssen Gordon. I did just that. The next year, my club that was the second biggest in theUS with many many great national champion fanciers and famous birds over the years was dominated by my family of pigeons. This club was over 70 years old and my new family of birds broke every record there was in the club that season. When it came time for the awards dinner, they just put them all on my table and took away the one or two that I did not win. I enjoyed that evening like no other I can remember. However, I am not sure that my club mates and competitors enjoyed it nearly as much as I did! In the years since, the victories have become so routine that one takes them for granted. I was racing widowhood with 12 cock birds vs. an entire combine of fanciers flying hens natural. It is difficult to beat hens on natural AT THE DISTANCE UNLESS YOU HAVE THE WIDOWERS JUST RIGHT. I became very proficient at widowhood. The greatest long distance race that I ever flew was an 800km race. Tough tough day with no day birds at all anywhere. I was middle to long end and kept expecting a call that the short end had a bird at dark or something. Never came. Next morning about7:30 am, which was an hour and half after sunrise, I got a bird. It was 3/4 Gordon and 1/4 Janssen. Pencil blue cock. This was June 6th, 1992. The winner was 91 ER 1001. About 20 minutes later I got a second bird. 89 ER 1961 BB cock. He was 3/4 Janssen family. Five minutes later I got another. This was my national champion "1505" DC cock. (See the World Champions book, 1994 Edition published by Kenichi Yoshihara of Champion Trade Company in Japan). Eight minutes after "1505" came 90 NVC 1083 BB cock. Seven minutes after him came "Moneymaker" who was not of my family but a cock that in the years to come would be bred throughout it. Then a few minutes later I got TB 1751, a 3/4 Janssen cock. Those were the "Awesome Six". They took first, second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth of both club and combine. I had shipped 10 birds of the 12 bird team to the race as I recall as we had some more long races coming up and I wanted two held back to increase their reserve if needed for a 1200 km race coming in three weeks. Two weeks later on June 20th, the same team went back to 800 km. Again, a tough race. I got "Moneymaker" just after dark and he won both the club and the combine. One other day bird that came about the same time that he did but it was 32 miles short of me. Then the next morning they rained in. When it was all done, my team took 1st, 4th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 14th, 15th, 20th positions. The trophy with these two races on it is still on my wall and will be until passed on to my son who is also racing my family. In the years since, the victories keep coming. "Asia' who was a son of national champion "1505" when mated to the "1515 Hen" so he is about a quarter Gordon went onto become the foundation cock for the next generation or two of the family. "Asia" won first combine at 930 km. His mother, the "1515 Hen" is off of a full brother sister pairing. They are both off of the original pair. She and her sister "1316" who is still here and alive but laying only an occasional egg, are the birds behind the NEXT STEP UP in the family. The base of the Silverado family. Many call it a Janssen family but I never have. It is my family and a Janssen Gordon family. I still keep some straight Gordon's and if you remember I told you earlier I did not like the looks of them and how they handled. That is pretty much still the case. However, the are amongst the best anywhere. My son and I probably have the best breeding Gordon hen in this country, the "483". Major winner after major winner off her and off her kids when on my family. I had a lot of splash and white show up in my family based around a cock called "Prodigy" who was a cock I bred but and in the family a lot but mostly gone now. I don't want to encourage the splash or lots of white so those go to sales as a rule. They are just as good and the pieds have proven over and over to be some of the best breeders but when you mate them close as I do, you get to much of it. I had a white cock that had bred in two years 4 or 5 winners that was of this "Prodigy" line and I sent him to a friend. I brought him back this summer to use on "483" so I could preserve that genetic line within the family. I did not want the white color but got it anyway, so I will keep the first two from this pair for the future and hope to breed back away from it.
So the connection to the Million Dollar Race-- I started off telling you that quality birds bred to race the distance, like in a few other countries of the world--that is the test of racing. The test of quality. I think that anything can race 200 km and if it traps fast, it could win. When you are talking 800 to 1200 km, it is the pigeon. It must have the brains and the stamina. In my many years of racing, the greatest test of who my good long distance birds will be in the future is young bird races over 325 miles (480 km). For whatever reason and I don't know the answer or why this is so but I find it is. Races at 450 km have different winners than races from 480 km. My very best long distance young and old bird racers come from birds that have flown or bred the winners at races over 480 or 500 km. The very best in the world get into the Million-Dollar race inS. Africa. It is the Olympic event of pigeon racing in the world. The best from Europe, Americas, Asia, all get in. Many don't get in but they know that their birds can not win in that kind of competition at 550 km when it may get hot, have both headwind part of the way and tail wind part of the way. A storm could blow over the mountain. Only one race in the past six years has had a group of birds on the drop. All the other races have had one, two, maybe three. Two of my birds bred the winner of this event. That bird was "pure Silverado family" Gordon/Janssen family and it was about 10 minutes out in front of the next bird. They came that day one at a time. No doubt about whom was out front and where they were that day. Only six lofts have bred the first place winner of this race ever. I fully expect that some year; my family will do it again. My concern is that of all the countries of the world, the Phillipines may breed the winner and I would end up in second place. I would lose the glory, the honor, and most importantly the $200,000 US dollars. I would still get $120,000 but it just is not the same. The race needs coordinators for the Phillipines. One prestigous national coordinator and we would like more regional coordinators to handle different areas of the country. If interested, contact Bob Kinney. Hopefully, the Philippines will have many birds for this years-coming race in future years. Birds are shipped over in May 2003 for the race in Jan 2004. You even get two free back up birds to your primary so you know you will have birds in the race. They are trained thoroughly through 400 km before the main event of 550 km. Normally, 74% of the birds entered in the race, survive training and go to the main event so you know it is a champion team doing the handling of the race. Just please leave the one home for yourself that may beat my next champion. Best wishes to all of you that race every week and test your birds. I hope you all enter. I want to race against the very best. See you at Sun City resort in S. Africa. Bob Kinney, USA thorobred@earthlink.net fax 405-260-1032
" Amazing V Loft " © 2008 message updated December 22, 2011 10:12PM |
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| posted on December 23, 2011 03:04PM | |
joel0120
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AND HAPPY NEW YEAR |
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| posted on January 30, 2012 08:03AM | |
| blackslacks1986 | for slot 1 and 2, 2nd cluthed crack date january 29, 2012. 2 healthy chicks, commercial ring band lang ang install ko...plus my personalised band. updates na lang!!!! |
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| posted on January 30, 2012 06:24PM | |
helms
| Bro, bahala ka na kung ano prapare mo. just let me know kapag tumutuka na sya para mapakuha ko na. thanks EdgarEurope.. |
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| posted on February 1, 2012 12:16PM | |
| blackslacks1986 | ok bro edgar i will tnx |
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| posted on February 3, 2012 06:55AM | |
joel0120
| okie bro abisuhan mo na lang ako pwede ng pick up |
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| posted on February 3, 2012 07:36AM | |
| blackslacks1986 | ok bro |
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| posted on February 3, 2012 04:16PM | |
| kenjieto | Bro ask kulang kung interesado ka sa imbreed ng Bob Kenny,yung PRO AU 2313 ay nsa akin dati. |
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| posted on March 8, 2012 06:16AM | |
| blackslacks1986 | AIRMIKE 08 and AIRMIKE 09 was SOLD to Mr. Edgar Santolaja of Pampanga and Mr. Florencio "Joel" Gallardo Jr. of Rizal. " Thank you!!! ingatan nyu sila bros! More Power and Godbless!!! " Airmike loft/Mike Guanzon Message appended on March 8, 2012 11:00AM TEMPORARY CLOSED IN ANY RESERVATION!!! STOP SELLING UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.....THANKS KA SULIT! message updated March 8, 2012 10:00AM |
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| posted on August 28, 2012 04:04PM | |
birdmaster
| Super like!!! UP UP UP!!! |
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| posted on October 25, 2012 09:18AM | |
kherwin20
| sir di ka pa nagsesell? |
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