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posted September 28, 2009 06:25AM
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Para sayo, sino ba talaga ang karadapat-dapat sa titulong Pound-4-Pound King?

The leader of the PAC

October 12, 7:22 PMMississippi Fight Sports ExaminerBrad Cooney

Who's the leader of the pack? There are a lot of professional boxers out there, big fighters, little fighters, medium size fighters, old fighter, young fighters, good fighters, bad fighters, but there is only one fighter that leads the pack.

http://www.examiner.com/x-23590-Mississippi-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2009m10d12-The-leader-of-the-PAC


Pound-4-Pound: Mayweather, Pacquiao, and company ask "who's the man"?

September 27, 1:29 PMBoxing ExaminerVivek Wallace

The mythical pound-for-pound title is very deceptive. Most top dawgs claim it, each of them wants it, yet the answer relative to which one of them actually has it is reserved for the person in which you speak to - and whom he or she feels they would give it to.

In an effort to measure the worth of each man, today, we take a look at the front-runners by analyzing each man separtely. (In no special order).


The Case for Manny Pacquiao:

Manny Pacquiao (49-3-2, 37KO's) is arguably the most spirited fighter in the sport today. Based on his resume, many view him as a Mexican slayer, however, it's the heart he employs in the ring which resembles their warrior-esque ability most, ultimately making him a fan fave, even amongst the proud Mexican nation. Few in the history of the sport have been able to rise through 7 weight classes and bring not only speed and power, but results. This major accomplishment puts Pacquiao not only in the P4P debate, but according to many, the G.O.A.T. (Greatest of all-time) debate as well.


The Case for Floyd Mayweather jr.:

Floyd Mayweather jr. (40-0, 25KO's) is viewed by many as easily the most talented fighter of this era. Speed, good, although not great power, amazing stamina, and a ring IQ that parallels the greatest to ever lace up in the history of the sport. Mayweather's claim to fame is his diversity, as the flamboyant fighter has been known to deliver the goods whether it be in-fighting, outside fighting, moving forward or backing up. Mayweather's ability has already placed him in the G.O.A.T. discussion, and according to some, his performance in his return bout against a man Pacquiao failed to defeat decisively in two attempts thoroughly cemented his status of today's P4P king. Pacquiao is clearly the more exciting to watch, Mayweather is purely the more talented of the two. Perhaps a showdown between he and Pacquiao will one day settle the score, as few could deny the fact that the two of them stand at the top of this debate.


The Case for Bernard Hopkins:

Bernard Hopkins (49-5-1, 32KO's) is the closest the sport has to a throwback type oldschool fighter, other than Mayweather. Few have ever seen Hopkins bruised, let alone hurt in a fight, simply because his amazing defense rarely allows one to land a flush shot on him. A resume that boast the legendary Felix Trinidad, ODH, Glen Johnson and others can never be denied. A pending matchup against the only man to ever truly dominate him may very well close the chapter of his book. A win would be an emphatic punctuation, while a loss would open the door to more questions. All-time great....yes. P4P king, definitely amongst the discussion.


The Case for Paul Williams:

The name of Paul Williams (37-1, 27KO's) rarely comes up in this debate, but for years I've rated this guy a 'dark horse', and in recent times, many have began to see what I saw quite a while back. Most guage P4P status on ability to excite and put cheeks-in-seats, but Williams has been an ambassador for the term P4P in a rather literal fashion, jumping weight class to weight class and seeking out the best available competition with little luck. There's a great reason why we never hear anyone call his name out. Standing at 6'2", throwing over 100 punches per round, and having a wingspan like that of Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet, there are very few strategies one could employ to disengage this terminator. Resume strength prevents him from being the clear and concise P4P king, but a solid victory over Kelly Pavlik in his pending fight will certainly help.


The Case for Miguel Cotto:

Miguel Cotto (34-1, 27KO's) is a perfect example of a fighter who literally stands on the brink of both goodness and greatness. The good in him is always on display, but the greatness hasn't always found the same level of consistency. An example of this was losing to a less than talented Antonio Margarito, while defeating a very credible Shane Mosley - a fighter who later dismantled Margarito. Cotto is one of the few fighters in today's money driven era of the sport that has taken on all comer's, and looked relatively good while doing it. His past resume has been amazing (Judah, Mosley, Margarito, Malignaggi and more), but it's the fights of his immediate future (Pacquiao and potentially a Mayweather showdown) which will dictate exactly how high he stands on this list.

read more: http://www.examiner.com/x-845-Boxing-Examiner~y2009m9d27-Pound4Pound-Mayweather-Pacquiao-and-company-ask-whos-the-man


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posted September 28, 2009 12:35PM
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maraming naimpressed sa last fight ni floyd jr kay marquez.
pero,kung p4p king talaga sya,dapat nilabanan nya ng parehas si marquez.
2lbs. over the weight limit naman kase sya..yun ba ang p4p king?mandaraya...
pinatulan naman ni marquez dahil habol nya naman pera talaga eh.
dapat sa mismong weight classes nya talaga sya lumaban.sa 147 or 154lbs.
dun nya dapat patunayan hindi yung sisiw o mga pinipilit umakyat ng weight ang patulan nya..
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inodz05 posted on September 28, 2009 11:35AM
maraming naimpressed sa last fight ni floyd jr kay marquez.
pero,kung p4p king talaga sya,dapat nilabanan nya ng parehas si marquez.
2lbs. over the weight limit naman kase sya..yun ba ang p4p king?mandaraya...
pinatulan naman ni marquez dahil habol nya naman pera talaga eh.
dapat sa mismong weight classes nya talaga sya lumaban.sa 147 or 154lbs.
dun nya dapat patunayan hindi yung sisiw o mga pinipilit umakyat ng weight ang patulan nya..
hehehe oo nga...
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posted September 28, 2009 12:53PM
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Kung sa Win/Loss Record si Floyd ang Pound for pound king para sa akin,
Kita naman sa Kartada. Kaya nga in Absence of  Floyd (retired)
Nakuha ni Manny ang Titulo..Smile
Kaya dapat Matalo ni Pacman si Floyd Angas Para Mapatunayan kung
sino talaga ang P4P king. Naging favor na naman kasi ke Floyd
ang pagkapanalo nya over Marquez as P4P king.
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bagongsilang posted on September 28, 2009 11:53AM
Kung sa Win/Loss Record si Floyd ang Pound for pound king para sa akin,
Kita naman sa Kartada. Kaya nga in Absence of  Floyd (retired)
Nakuha ni Manny ang Titulo..Smile
Kaya dapat Matalo ni Pacman si Floyd Angas Para Mapatunayan kung
sino talaga ang P4P king. Naging favor na naman kasi ke Floyd
ang pagkapanalo nya over Marquez as P4P king.

kung sa win/loss record lang din tayo magbi-base ng P4P kingship e di candidate din dapat sila Chris John, W 43(KO22) L 0 na tumalo din kay Marquez, si Edwin Valero, W 25(KO25) L 0, si Ivan Calderon W 33(KO6) L 0, Carl Froch, W 25(KO20) L 0 at marami pang ibang undefeated at world top rated boxers na nangunguna rin sa divisions nila.

at kahit na siguro di nagretiro si Mayweather ay makukuha pa rin ni Manny ang top spot sa Lb-4-Lb list dahil sa paraan ng pagkapanalo nya kina ODLH at Hatton at dahil din sa feat na nagawa nya kaya sya naihanay kay Henry Armstrong at ODLH. at dahil din Mayweather will still duck great competitors on his own divisions. he retired when tough opponents on welterweight began calling him out, and his reason for retiring? nawalan na raw sya ng gana magboxing kasi wala ng ibang magagaling na boksingerong pwede nyang labanan....[sigh...]

ang pagkapanalo nya kay Marquez....wala syang napatunayan....bukod siguro sa pagiging big draw nya pa rin sa PPV at yung bilis nya e andun parin...bukod dun, wala na... logically, maliit talaga si Marquez for Floyd. pinakamataas ng weight division na pwedeng pag-stay-an ni JMM is lightweight or kahit na sa junior welter. 2 divisions ang inakyat nya to meet Floyd sa 144lbs catchweight. but Floyd came in overweight by 2lbs. but still, di nya napatulog si Marquez. shame on him di ba? ano impressive dun? naturally bigger ka na sa opponent mo, inakyat ka na nga sa division mo ng nanggaling 2 weight classes below your own, overweight ka pang lumaban, sobrang bagal pa ang kalaban mo compared sayo but still nakakatama pa rin ng malinis at hindi mo pa rin napatulog.... nasan ang greatness dun? unlike si Manny, pag dumadayo sa mas mataas na divisions, tulog ang kalaban. I dont think he deserves to be on top of the list. that's why he falls short to number 2.

saka obviously, alam naman ng lahat ng tao sa buong mundo na sumusubaybay sa boxing na isang malaking mismatch ang laban nato at si FMJ naman talaga ang mananalo eh...kaya nga hindi nag-rate ang HBO 24/7 nila at ilang ulit pang inireplay para tlaga mapromote lang ang laban nila...kaya din napostpone ang supposed to be July match nila dahil sa poor ticket sales. kaya nga hindi napuno ang MGM Grand eh. yung 1million buys sa PPV, pwedeng ideclare lang nila yun or sila(GBP at Mayweather Promotions) lang mismo ang nagsubscribed sa PPV nila to increase the marketability of Floyd.
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It will prolong to be a debate until the current P4P king (Manny) fought the former number 1 P4P (Floyd).

As of the current, the argument will continue to ascend.

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doglover posted on September 30, 2009 05:05AM
bagongsilang posted on September 28, 2009 11:53AM
Kung sa Win/Loss Record si Floyd ang Pound for pound king para sa akin,
Kita naman sa Kartada. Kaya nga in Absence of  Floyd (retired)
Nakuha ni Manny ang Titulo..Smile
Kaya dapat Matalo ni Pacman si Floyd Angas Para Mapatunayan kung
sino talaga ang P4P king. Naging favor na naman kasi ke Floyd
ang pagkapanalo nya over Marquez as P4P king.

kung sa win/loss record lang din tayo magbi-base ng P4P kingship e di candidate din dapat sila Chris John, W 43(KO22) L 0 na tumalo din kay Marquez, si Edwin Valero, W 25(KO25) L 0, si Ivan Calderon W 33(KO6) L 0, Carl Froch, W 25(KO20) L 0 at marami pang ibang undefeated at world top rated boxers na nangunguna rin sa divisions nila.

at kahit na siguro di nagretiro si Mayweather ay makukuha pa rin ni Manny ang top spot sa Lb-4-Lb list dahil sa paraan ng pagkapanalo nya kina ODLH at Hatton at dahil din sa feat na nagawa nya kaya sya naihanay kay Henry Armstrong at ODLH. at dahil din Mayweather will still duck great competitors on his own divisions. he retired when tough opponents on welterweight began calling him out, and his reason for retiring? nawalan na raw sya ng gana magboxing kasi wala ng ibang magagaling na boksingerong pwede nyang labanan....[sigh...]

ang pagkapanalo nya kay Marquez....wala syang napatunayan....bukod siguro sa pagiging big draw nya pa rin sa PPV at yung bilis nya e andun parin...bukod dun, wala na... logically, maliit talaga si Marquez for Floyd. pinakamataas ng weight division na pwedeng pag-stay-an ni JMM is lightweight or kahit na sa junior welter. 2 divisions ang inakyat nya to meet Floyd sa 144lbs catchweight. but Floyd came in overweight by 2lbs. but still, di nya napatulog si Marquez. shame on him di ba? ano impressive dun? naturally bigger ka na sa opponent mo, inakyat ka na nga sa division mo ng nanggaling 2 weight classes below your own, overweight ka pang lumaban, sobrang bagal pa ang kalaban mo compared sayo but still nakakatama pa rin ng malinis at hindi mo pa rin napatulog.... nasan ang greatness dun? unlike si Manny, pag dumadayo sa mas mataas na divisions, tulog ang kalaban. I dont think he deserves to be on top of the list. that's why he falls short to number 2.

saka obviously, alam naman ng lahat ng tao sa buong mundo na sumusubaybay sa boxing na isang malaking mismatch ang laban nato at si FMJ naman talaga ang mananalo eh...kaya nga hindi nag-rate ang HBO 24/7 nila at ilang ulit pang inireplay para tlaga mapromote lang ang laban nila...kaya din napostpone ang supposed to be July match nila dahil sa poor ticket sales. kaya nga hindi napuno ang MGM Grand eh. yung 1million buys sa PPV, pwedeng ideclare lang nila yun or sila(GBP at Mayweather Promotions) lang mismo ang nagsubscribed sa PPV nila to increase the marketability of Floyd.

<Ang Favor na Sinasabi ko ay Kung Panno Paglaruan ni Floyd si Marquez sa Laban nila.
Nakita naman natin kung Gaano nahirapan si Manny ke Marquez, Yan din ang Pinagdidiinan
ni Ronnie Natanielz ( commentator )
Kaya Dapat talaga Matalo ni Manny si Floyd, Para Ganap na Masabing sya ang P4P king.
Wala na kasing ibang Bentahe na Laban para sa P4P king maliban kina Manny at Floyd. >
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Manny Pacquiao pa rin syempre. Kung tutuusin mo eh expected na na matatalo si Marquez kasi lightweight lang siya samantalang Welterweight si Mayweather. Nagpapaganda lang ng image si Mayweather kasi asar-talo siya kay Manny, pero kung talagang magaling siya eh dapat katimbang niya ang kalabanin niya. Or labanan niya si Manny at nang magkaalaman na.
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etong issue na ito ay hindi matapos tapos kung kayo talaga ay isang boxing fan dapat yakapin at buong puso ninyo tanggapin na ang sinasabi ng bibliya ng boxing "ring magazine" e si pacquiao ang pound for pound king.... ano ba ang ibigsabihin ng titulong pound for pound king. ito ba e ung magaling dumipensa? eto ba ung mabilis? eto ba ung walang talo? palagay ko hindi! parasaakin para ikaw ay tawaging pound4pound king dapat ikaw ay isang boxing icon ibig sabihin pag nabangit ang pangalan mo walang pagdadalawang isip na boxing champion ang agad napumapasok sa utak ng tao. gaya nila ali at tyson. teka si paquiao ba ganon? saang timbang ba nagsimula si pacquiao? 108lbs diba asan na siya ngayon? ibig sabihin lang nito hindi siya namimili ng kalaban he strives to fight bigger boxer diba lahat ng nabangit ninyong boxer san nagsimula at asan na sila ngayon sino ang pinakamaraming division na pinagdaanan? at sino ba sa kanila ang kayang magpahinto ng krimen pag may laban at sino sa kanila na kayang pagisahin ang mga taong di nagkakasundo?  

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mytattytreasure posted on September 30, 2009 12:33PM

etong issue na ito ay hindi matapos tapos kung kayo talaga ay isang boxing fan dapat yakapin at buong puso ninyo tanggapin na ang sinasabi ng bibliya ng boxing "ring magazine" e si pacquiao ang pound for pound king.... ano ba ang ibigsabihin ng titulong pound for pound king. ito ba e ung magaling dumipensa? eto ba ung mabilis? eto ba ung walang talo? palagay ko hindi! parasaakin para ikaw ay tawaging pound4pound king dapat ikaw ay isang boxing icon ibig sabihin pag nabangit ang pangalan mo walang pagdadalawang isip na boxing champion ang agad napumapasok sa utak ng tao. gaya nila ali at tyson. teka si paquiao ba ganon? saang timbang ba nagsimula si pacquiao? 108lbs diba asan na siya ngayon? ibig sabihin lang nito hindi siya namimili ng kalaban he strives to fight bigger boxer diba lahat ng nabangit ninyong boxer san nagsimula at asan na sila ngayon sino ang pinakamaraming division na pinagdaanan? at sino ba sa kanila ang kayang magpahinto ng krimen pag may laban at sino sa kanila na kayang pagisahin ang mga taong di nagkakasundo?  


Tama naman yan, Sa Puso natin si Manny talaga ang P4P king
at tunay na Kampeon! Ang isyu kasi ay International Acclaim Fighter as P4P king
Kaylangan kasi patunayan sa lahat ng Contender that you are the undisputed.

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being undesputed does not automaticaly give you the p4p king even the great ali and tayson also have losses ali have 5 and tyson have 6 but manny only have 3... please do not compair this standing to maywheather who cherry pick boxer
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para sakin manny pacquiao pa din, pag lumalaban kasi siya talagang maaksyon, hindi yung nag aantay nang sugod nang kalaban bago umatake,
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It was before may weather who got the P4P King.
Until this Manny Pacman came in. ^^
He is the current P4P and May Weather wanted to retain his title, so now he is shouting the crowd. ^^
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ardong posted on September 30, 2009 12:19PM
Manny Pacquiao pa rin syempre. Kung tutuusin mo eh expected na na matatalo si Marquez kasi lightweight lang siya samantalang Welterweight si Mayweather. Nagpapaganda lang ng image si Mayweather kasi asar-talo siya kay Manny, pero kung talagang magaling siya eh dapat katimbang niya ang kalabanin niya. Or labanan niya si Manny at nang magkaalaman na.

eksakto!
yan ang hindi naiintindihan ng marami....
yung LEVEL ng mga boksingero...
magkaibang level ng skills sila Marquez at Mayweather. kaya nga napugo si Marquez diba kasi hanggang pang lightweight lang xa...
ngaun pag pinagharap si Manny at JMM, for sure na tulog na tong si Marquez this time dahil umangat na ang level of performance and skills ni Manny since the last time na nagharap sila.



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mytattytreasure posted on September 30, 2009 06:22PM
being undesputed does not automaticaly give you the p4p king even the great ali and tayson also have losses ali have 5 and tyson have 6 but manny only have 3... please do not compair this standing to maywheather who cherry pick boxer

very true sir!
win-loss record is not the basis of being p4p topnotcher.


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mytattytreasure posted on September 30, 2009 12:33PM

etong issue na ito ay hindi matapos tapos kung kayo talaga ay isang boxing fan dapat yakapin at buong puso ninyo tanggapin na ang sinasabi ng bibliya ng boxing "ring magazine" e si pacquiao ang pound for pound king.... ano ba ang ibigsabihin ng titulong pound for pound king. ito ba e ung magaling dumipensa? eto ba ung mabilis? eto ba ung walang talo? palagay ko hindi! parasaakin para ikaw ay tawaging pound4pound king dapat ikaw ay isang boxing icon ibig sabihin pag nabangit ang pangalan mo walang pagdadalawang isip na boxing champion ang agad napumapasok sa utak ng tao. gaya nila ali at tyson. teka si paquiao ba ganon? saang timbang ba nagsimula si pacquiao? 108lbs diba asan na siya ngayon? ibig sabihin lang nito hindi siya namimili ng kalaban he strives to fight bigger boxer diba lahat ng nabangit ninyong boxer san nagsimula at asan na sila ngayon sino ang pinakamaraming division na pinagdaanan? at sino ba sa kanila ang kayang magpahinto ng krimen pag may laban at sino sa kanila na kayang pagisahin ang mga taong di nagkakasundo?  


Tama naman yan, Sa Puso natin si Manny talaga ang P4P king
at tunay na Kampeon! Ang isyu kasi ay International Acclaim Fighter as P4P king
Kaylangan kasi patunayan sa lahat ng Contender that you are the undisputed.

>

tama yan sinabi mo sir... pero si Mayweather di nya pa rin napapatunayan hanggang ngayon ang pagiging undisputed nya dahil marami syang dinucked na top contenders sa division nya like Paul Williams na lang to mention. as what some experts said, he's not yet tested in welterweight. at ang tinalo nya recently ay ang mabagal at matandang si Marquez na 2 weight classes ang inakyat, hindi welterweight boxer. kaya nga cherry picking daw tong si Mayweather e. unlike Pacquiao na established na ang pagiging p4p king nung tinalo nya ang lightweight champ na si David Diaz when he MOVED UP from super featherweight then Ricky HAtton who is undisputed on his own weight division and ODLH who is a lot bigger than him.
at ngayon kung ang pagkapanalo ni Mayweather kay Marquez is an achievement and a credit to put him on the list on top of Manny, then its like discrediting the historical feat made by Pacquiao when he won the light welterweight belt in a great fashion.


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Why Pacquiao is HOT and Mayweather is NOT!
by Oliver Suarez

During Mayweather's time in the lower weight classes, many of today's aging or retired fighters, like Shane Mosley, Felix Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Roy Jones Jr. and Oscar De La Hoya, were still in their prime. Plus, smaller fighters like Erik Morales, Prince Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera were going to war with each other and giving us entertaining bouts. While Mayweather was busy facing respectable but lesser-known fighters like Justin Juuko, Emanuel Burton and Jesus Chavez, he was being overshadowed by many of his contemporaries at the time.

Not to mention, at welterweight, Floyd's resume is questionable at best. He easily defeated natural lightweights Sharmba Mitchell and Juan Manuel Marquez. He also defeated the erratic Zab Judah, a small welterweight who really belongs to the jr. welterweight division. In fact, the only legitimate, full-fledged welterweight he faced was the one-dimensional Carlos Baldomir. His best win recently may have been when he moved up yet again to face jr. middleweight champion Oscar De La Hoya, who he beat via split decision. While those are solid wins and Mayweather should be given full credit for each of them, his credibility will certainly questioned, as it has, when he claims to be the best in the division, but has yet to face any of the elite fighters in the division, like Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito or Joshua Clottey.


Also, Mayweather lacks that one career-defining fight. He's never been involved in a mega-fight brawl like Hagler vs. Hearns. He's never participated in memorable fights like Corrales vs. Castillo, Barrera vs. Morales or even Gatti vs. Ward. While it takes two to tango and all the blame doesn't necessarily lie with him, Mayweather also made some questionable decisions in regards to challenging himself with the best around his division. After his fight Hatton, there was a great demand for him to face Miguel Cotto or Shane Mosley. There was also a young but worthy potential opponent by the name of Paul Williams who was making a name for himself. When he finally made it to the top, instead of testing his skills against the best, Mayweather decided to retire after the Hatton fight.

read more: http://fighthype.com/pages/content5802.html


same as what I'm trying to imply here... these are some reasons why Mayweather is not qualified to be crowned as P4P king. and also, he's not as hot as Pacquiao. he never fought and defeated the bests in his division. and he's not a crowd pleaser like Manny Pacquiao....

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if mayweather had beaten marquez with a devastating knockout then he would be entitled to be mentioned in the same level as Manny Pacquiao but not ahead of him in the P4P ranking.
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ardong posted on September 30, 2009 12:19PM
Manny Pacquiao pa rin syempre. Kung tutuusin mo eh expected na na matatalo si Marquez kasi lightweight lang siya samantalang Welterweight si Mayweather. Nagpapaganda lang ng image si Mayweather kasi asar-talo siya kay Manny, pero kung talagang magaling siya eh dapat katimbang niya ang kalabanin niya. Or labanan niya si Manny at nang magkaalaman na.

eksakto!
yan ang hindi naiintindihan ng marami....
yung LEVEL ng mga boksingero...
magkaibang level ng skills sila Marquez at Mayweather. kaya nga napugo si Marquez diba kasi hanggang pang lightweight lang xa...
ngaun pag pinagharap si Manny at JMM, for sure na tulog na tong si Marquez this time dahil umangat na ang level of performance and skills ni Manny since the last time na nagharap sila.



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mytattytreasure posted on September 30, 2009 06:22PM
being undesputed does not automaticaly give you the p4p king even the great ali and tayson also have losses ali have 5 and tyson have 6 but manny only have 3... please do not compair this standing to maywheather who cherry pick boxer

very true sir!
win-loss record is not the basis of being p4p topnotcher.


Message appended on September 30, 2009 07:18PM
bagongsilang posted on September 30, 2009 12:45PM
mytattytreasure posted on September 30, 2009 12:33PM

etong issue na ito ay hindi matapos tapos kung kayo talaga ay isang boxing fan dapat yakapin at buong puso ninyo tanggapin na ang sinasabi ng bibliya ng boxing "ring magazine" e si pacquiao ang pound for pound king.... ano ba ang ibigsabihin ng titulong pound for pound king. ito ba e ung magaling dumipensa? eto ba ung mabilis? eto ba ung walang talo? palagay ko hindi! parasaakin para ikaw ay tawaging pound4pound king dapat ikaw ay isang boxing icon ibig sabihin pag nabangit ang pangalan mo walang pagdadalawang isip na boxing champion ang agad napumapasok sa utak ng tao. gaya nila ali at tyson. teka si paquiao ba ganon? saang timbang ba nagsimula si pacquiao? 108lbs diba asan na siya ngayon? ibig sabihin lang nito hindi siya namimili ng kalaban he strives to fight bigger boxer diba lahat ng nabangit ninyong boxer san nagsimula at asan na sila ngayon sino ang pinakamaraming division na pinagdaanan? at sino ba sa kanila ang kayang magpahinto ng krimen pag may laban at sino sa kanila na kayang pagisahin ang mga taong di nagkakasundo?  


Tama naman yan, Sa Puso natin si Manny talaga ang P4P king
at tunay na Kampeon! Ang isyu kasi ay International Acclaim Fighter as P4P king
Kaylangan kasi patunayan sa lahat ng Contender that you are the undisputed.

>

tama yan sinabi mo sir... pero si Mayweather di nya pa rin napapatunayan hanggang ngayon ang pagiging undisputed nya dahil marami syang dinucked na top contenders sa division nya like Paul Williams na lang to mention. as what some experts said, he's not yet tested in welterweight. at ang tinalo nya recently ay ang mabagal at matandang si Marquez na 2 weight classes ang inakyat, hindi welterweight boxer. kaya nga cherry picking daw tong si Mayweather e. unlike Pacquiao na established na ang pagiging p4p king nung tinalo nya ang lightweight champ na si David Diaz when he MOVED UP from super featherweight then Ricky HAtton who is undisputed on his own weight division and ODLH who is a lot bigger than him.
at ngayon kung ang pagkapanalo ni Mayweather kay Marquez is an achievement and a credit to put him on the list on top of Manny, then its like discrediting the historical feat made by Pacquiao when he won the light welterweight belt in a great fashion.


Message appended on September 30, 2009 09:02PM
Why Pacquiao is HOT and Mayweather is NOT!
by Oliver Suarez

During Mayweather's time in the lower weight classes, many of today's aging or retired fighters, like Shane Mosley, Felix Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Roy Jones Jr. and Oscar De La Hoya, were still in their prime. Plus, smaller fighters like Erik Morales, Prince Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera were going to war with each other and giving us entertaining bouts. While Mayweather was busy facing respectable but lesser-known fighters like Justin Juuko, Emanuel Burton and Jesus Chavez, he was being overshadowed by many of his contemporaries at the time.

Not to mention, at welterweight, Floyd's resume is questionable at best. He easily defeated natural lightweights Sharmba Mitchell and Juan Manuel Marquez. He also defeated the erratic Zab Judah, a small welterweight who really belongs to the jr. welterweight division. In fact, the only legitimate, full-fledged welterweight he faced was the one-dimensional Carlos Baldomir. His best win recently may have been when he moved up yet again to face jr. middleweight champion Oscar De La Hoya, who he beat via split decision. While those are solid wins and Mayweather should be given full credit for each of them, his credibility will certainly questioned, as it has, when he claims to be the best in the division, but has yet to face any of the elite fighters in the division, like Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito or Joshua Clottey.


Also, Mayweather lacks that one career-defining fight. He's never been involved in a mega-fight brawl like Hagler vs. Hearns. He's never participated in memorable fights like Corrales vs. Castillo, Barrera vs. Morales or even Gatti vs. Ward. While it takes two to tango and all the blame doesn't necessarily lie with him, Mayweather also made some questionable decisions in regards to challenging himself with the best around his division. After his fight Hatton, there was a great demand for him to face Miguel Cotto or Shane Mosley. There was also a young but worthy potential opponent by the name of Paul Williams who was making a name for himself. When he finally made it to the top, instead of testing his skills against the best, Mayweather decided to retire after the Hatton fight.

read more: http://fighthype.com/pages/content5802.html


same as what I'm trying to imply here... these are some reasons why Mayweather is not qualified to be crowned as P4P king. and also, he's not as hot as Pacquiao. he never fought and defeated the bests in his division. and he's not a crowd pleaser like Manny Pacquiao....

<Hehe... Parang Plantsado itong Thread mo sa mga Sagot ha..Smile
Para sayo, sino ba talaga ang karadapat-dapat sa titulong Pound-4-Pound King?

No Doubt naman sating mga Pinoy na Si Manny talaga ang P4P King eh..
lalo na, If Pacquiao will win over Miguel Cotto. It will solidifies the Filipino's grip
on the top spot and places him in unchartered territory in boxing. and we are
very proud of it, as Filipino..Smile

Maging balanse tayo! Kung Ikaw ay isang American born Citizen
Sino naman ang P4P king para sayo? Ipaglalaban din nila yun
Pananaw nila.. Pansinin nyo din: From retirement, Napahinga at nagliwaliw
itong si Floyd Angas. Si Marquez, Stay Fit, at Insayado.
Sabihin na natin, mas mabigat sa timbang, Pero yung Skills 100%
parin eh. Mabilis, Malakas, Magulang, Matalino. Yang ang Boksing
Sabi nga ni Manny Before, Hindi nakukuha sa Palakihan yan, sa lakas ng Suntok yan!


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ardong posted on September 30, 2009 12:19PM
Manny Pacquiao pa rin syempre. Kung tutuusin mo eh expected na na matatalo si Marquez kasi lightweight lang siya samantalang Welterweight si Mayweather. Nagpapaganda lang ng image si Mayweather kasi asar-talo siya kay Manny, pero kung talagang magaling siya eh dapat katimbang niya ang kalabanin niya. Or labanan niya si Manny at nang magkaalaman na.

eksakto!
yan ang hindi naiintindihan ng marami....
yung LEVEL ng mga boksingero...
magkaibang level ng skills sila Marquez at Mayweather. kaya nga napugo si Marquez diba kasi hanggang pang lightweight lang xa...
ngaun pag pinagharap si Manny at JMM, for sure na tulog na tong si Marquez this time dahil umangat na ang level of performance and skills ni Manny since the last time na nagharap sila.



Message appended on September 30, 2009 07:02PM
mytattytreasure posted on September 30, 2009 06:22PM
being undesputed does not automaticaly give you the p4p king even the great ali and tayson also have losses ali have 5 and tyson have 6 but manny only have 3... please do not compair this standing to maywheather who cherry pick boxer

very true sir!
win-loss record is not the basis of being p4p topnotcher.


Message appended on September 30, 2009 07:18PM
bagongsilang posted on September 30, 2009 12:45PM
mytattytreasure posted on September 30, 2009 12:33PM

etong issue na ito ay hindi matapos tapos kung kayo talaga ay isang boxing fan dapat yakapin at buong puso ninyo tanggapin na ang sinasabi ng bibliya ng boxing "ring magazine" e si pacquiao ang pound for pound king.... ano ba ang ibigsabihin ng titulong pound for pound king. ito ba e ung magaling dumipensa? eto ba ung mabilis? eto ba ung walang talo? palagay ko hindi! parasaakin para ikaw ay tawaging pound4pound king dapat ikaw ay isang boxing icon ibig sabihin pag nabangit ang pangalan mo walang pagdadalawang isip na boxing champion ang agad napumapasok sa utak ng tao. gaya nila ali at tyson. teka si paquiao ba ganon? saang timbang ba nagsimula si pacquiao? 108lbs diba asan na siya ngayon? ibig sabihin lang nito hindi siya namimili ng kalaban he strives to fight bigger boxer diba lahat ng nabangit ninyong boxer san nagsimula at asan na sila ngayon sino ang pinakamaraming division na pinagdaanan? at sino ba sa kanila ang kayang magpahinto ng krimen pag may laban at sino sa kanila na kayang pagisahin ang mga taong di nagkakasundo?  


Tama naman yan, Sa Puso natin si Manny talaga ang P4P king
at tunay na Kampeon! Ang isyu kasi ay International Acclaim Fighter as P4P king
Kaylangan kasi patunayan sa lahat ng Contender that you are the undisputed.

>

tama yan sinabi mo sir... pero si Mayweather di nya pa rin napapatunayan hanggang ngayon ang pagiging undisputed nya dahil marami syang dinucked na top contenders sa division nya like Paul Williams na lang to mention. as what some experts said, he's not yet tested in welterweight. at ang tinalo nya recently ay ang mabagal at matandang si Marquez na 2 weight classes ang inakyat, hindi welterweight boxer. kaya nga cherry picking daw tong si Mayweather e. unlike Pacquiao na established na ang pagiging p4p king nung tinalo nya ang lightweight champ na si David Diaz when he MOVED UP from super featherweight then Ricky HAtton who is undisputed on his own weight division and ODLH who is a lot bigger than him.
at ngayon kung ang pagkapanalo ni Mayweather kay Marquez is an achievement and a credit to put him on the list on top of Manny, then its like discrediting the historical feat made by Pacquiao when he won the light welterweight belt in a great fashion.


Message appended on September 30, 2009 09:02PM
Why Pacquiao is HOT and Mayweather is NOT!
by Oliver Suarez

During Mayweather's time in the lower weight classes, many of today's aging or retired fighters, like Shane Mosley, Felix Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Roy Jones Jr. and Oscar De La Hoya, were still in their prime. Plus, smaller fighters like Erik Morales, Prince Naseem Hamed and Marco Antonio Barrera were going to war with each other and giving us entertaining bouts. While Mayweather was busy facing respectable but lesser-known fighters like Justin Juuko, Emanuel Burton and Jesus Chavez, he was being overshadowed by many of his contemporaries at the time.

Not to mention, at welterweight, Floyd's resume is questionable at best. He easily defeated natural lightweights Sharmba Mitchell and Juan Manuel Marquez. He also defeated the erratic Zab Judah, a small welterweight who really belongs to the jr. welterweight division. In fact, the only legitimate, full-fledged welterweight he faced was the one-dimensional Carlos Baldomir. His best win recently may have been when he moved up yet again to face jr. middleweight champion Oscar De La Hoya, who he beat via split decision. While those are solid wins and Mayweather should be given full credit for each of them, his credibility will certainly questioned, as it has, when he claims to be the best in the division, but has yet to face any of the elite fighters in the division, like Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito or Joshua Clottey.


Also, Mayweather lacks that one career-defining fight. He's never been involved in a mega-fight brawl like Hagler vs. Hearns. He's never participated in memorable fights like Corrales vs. Castillo, Barrera vs. Morales or even Gatti vs. Ward. While it takes two to tango and all the blame doesn't necessarily lie with him, Mayweather also made some questionable decisions in regards to challenging himself with the best around his division. After his fight Hatton, there was a great demand for him to face Miguel Cotto or Shane Mosley. There was also a young but worthy potential opponent by the name of Paul Williams who was making a name for himself. When he finally made it to the top, instead of testing his skills against the best, Mayweather decided to retire after the Hatton fight.

read more: http://fighthype.com/pages/content5802.html


same as what I'm trying to imply here... these are some reasons why Mayweather is not qualified to be crowned as P4P king. and also, he's not as hot as Pacquiao. he never fought and defeated the bests in his division. and he's not a crowd pleaser like Manny Pacquiao....

<Hehe... Parang Plantsado itong Thread mo sa mga Sagot ha..Smile
Para sayo, sino ba talaga ang karadapat-dapat sa titulong Pound-4-Pound King?

No Doubt naman sating mga Pinoy na Si Manny talaga ang P4P King eh..
lalo na, If Pacquiao will win over Miguel Cotto. It will solidifies the Filipino's grip
on the top spot and places him in unchartered territory in boxing. and we are
very proud of it, as Filipino..Smile

Maging balanse tayo! Kung Ikaw ay isang American born Citizen
Sino naman ang P4P king para sayo? Ipaglalaban din nila yun
Pananaw nila.. Pansinin nyo din: From retirement, Napahinga at nagliwaliw
itong si Floyd Angas. Si Marquez, Stay Fit, at Insayado.
Sabihin na natin, mas mabigat sa timbang, Pero yung Skills 100%
parin eh. Mabilis, Malakas, Magulang, Matalino. Yang ang Boksing
Sabi nga ni Manny Before, Hindi nakukuha sa Palakihan yan, sa lakas ng Suntok yan!



tama kapatid, ika nga, Love Our Own.
pero Mayweather still fell short to the 2nd spot in the P4P list(RING Magazine) because he just beat the 2nd best which is Marquez. alam mo sinasabi sa mga boxing articles, "Mayweather beat the best lightweight". no doubt sa skills ni Marquez pero he's not in the level of Mayweather. no way he could ever match Mayweather. JMM's last two fights were against Casamayor, an over-the-hill grandpa boxer, pero nahirapan pa rin sya kay Casa. in eaarly rounds, pinaglaruan pa nga sya e. naover confidence lang si Casamayor kaya hindi nag-ingat at napatulog sya ni Marquez. next ang over rated na slappy at one-dimensional na si Jaun Diaz. Marquez looked good syempre dahil hindi naman nya ka-level tong si Diaz pagdating sa skills. but still, Diaz had his rounds and inflicted damages on Marquez face.
what I'm trying to say here is that Marquez, although a seasoned, skilled fighter, probably the best lightweight there is, he's not a worthy contender for Mayweather. kaya nga obvious na sa marami ang outcome ng laban na'to, Mayweather for the win. pero di pa rin sya nagawang patulugin ni Floyd. kahit na outclassed na outclassed si Marquez.
ang bottomline dito, walang napatunayan si Mayweather in beating a smaller lightweight in welterweight limit. had he fought Joshua Clottey or Shane Mosley or Antonio Margarito and won, he will definitely dethrone Manny on the top spot.
pero for now, Manny will still be the Pound-4-Pound king until Cotto beat him on November 14. 

THE RING RATINGS - As of Sept. 20, 2009

Pound For Pound

All Weights

1. Manny Pacquiao

Country: Philippines

Record: 49-3-2 (37 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #1 | Last Week: #1 | Weeks On List: 303

Titles: The Ring

2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada) Record: 40-0-0 (25 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #2 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1

3. Shane Mosley Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada) Record: 46-5-0 (39 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #3 | Last Week: #4 | Weeks On List: 35 Titles: WBA

4. Bernard Hopkins Country: USA (Philadelphia, Pa.) Record: 49-5-1 (32 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #4 | Last Week: #3 | Weeks On List: 172 5. Juan Manuel Marquez Country: Mexico Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #5 | Last Week: #2 | Weeks On List: 132 Titles: WBA, WBO, The Ring

6. Israel Vazquez Country: Mexico Record: 43-4-0 (31 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #6 | Last Week: #5 | Weeks On List: 112

7. Rafael Marquez Country: Mexico Record: 38-5-0 (34 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #7 | Last Week: #6 | Weeks On List: 70

8. Nonito Donaire Country: USA (San Leandro, Calif.) Record: 22-1-0 (14 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #8 | Last Week: #7 | Weeks On List: 21 Titles: IBF

9. Miguel Cotto Country: Puerto Rico Record: 34-1-0 (27 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #9 | Last Week: #8 | Weeks On List: 21 Titles: WBO

10. Celestino Caballero Country: Panama Record: 33-2-0 (23 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #10 | Last Week: #9 | Weeks On List: 35 Titles: IBF, WBA

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bagongsilang posted on October 1, 2009 03:45PM
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ardong posted on September 30, 2009 12:19PM
<Hehe... Parang Plantsado itong Thread mo sa mga Sagot ha..Smile
Para sayo, sino ba talaga ang karadapat-dapat sa titulong Pound-4-Pound King?

No Doubt naman sating mga Pinoy na Si Manny talaga ang P4P King eh..
lalo na, If Pacquiao will win over Miguel Cotto. It will solidifies the Filipino's grip
on the top spot and places him in unchartered territory in boxing. and we are
very proud of it, as Filipino..Smile

Maging balanse tayo! Kung Ikaw ay isang American born Citizen
Sino naman ang P4P king para sayo? Ipaglalaban din nila yun
Pananaw nila.. Pansinin nyo din: From retirement, Napahinga at nagliwaliw
itong si Floyd Angas. Si Marquez, Stay Fit, at Insayado.
Sabihin na natin, mas mabigat sa timbang, Pero yung Skills 100%
parin eh. Mabilis, Malakas, Magulang, Matalino. Yang ang Boksing
Sabi nga ni Manny Before, Hindi nakukuha sa Palakihan yan, sa lakas ng Suntok yan!



tama kapatid, ika nga, Love Our Own.
pero Mayweather still fell short to the 2nd spot in the P4P list(RING Magazine) because he just beat the 2nd best which is Marquez. alam mo sinasabi sa mga boxing articles, "Mayweather beat the best lightweight". no doubt sa skills ni Marquez pero he's not in the level of Mayweather. no way he could ever match Mayweather. JMM's last two fights were against Casamayor, an over-the-hill grandpa boxer, pero nahirapan pa rin sya kay Casa. in eaarly rounds, pinaglaruan pa nga sya e. naover confidence lang si Casamayor kaya hindi nag-ingat at napatulog sya ni Marquez. next ang over rated na slappy at one-dimensional na si Jaun Diaz. Marquez looked good syempre dahil hindi naman nya ka-level tong si Diaz pagdating sa skills. but still, Diaz had his rounds and inflicted damages on Marquez face.
what I'm trying to say here is that Marquez, although a seasoned, skilled fighter, probably the best lightweight there is, he's not a worthy contender for Mayweather. kaya nga obvious na sa marami ang outcome ng laban na'to, Mayweather for the win. pero di pa rin sya nagawang patulugin ni Floyd. kahit na outclassed na outclassed si Marquez.
ang bottomline dito, walang napatunayan si Mayweather in beating a smaller lightweight in welterweight limit. had he fought Joshua Clottey or Shane Mosley or Antonio Margarito and won, he will definitely dethrone Manny on the top spot.
pero for now, Manny will still be the Pound-4-Pound king until Cotto beat him on November 14. 

THE RING RATINGS - As of Sept. 20, 2009

Pound For Pound

All Weights

1. Manny Pacquiao

Country: Philippines

Record: 49-3-2 (37 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #1 | Last Week: #1 | Weeks On List: 303

Titles: The Ring

2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada) Record: 40-0-0 (25 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #2 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1

3. Shane Mosley Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada) Record: 46-5-0 (39 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #3 | Last Week: #4 | Weeks On List: 35 Titles: WBA

4. Bernard Hopkins Country: USA (Philadelphia, Pa.) Record: 49-5-1 (32 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #4 | Last Week: #3 | Weeks On List: 172 5. Juan Manuel Marquez Country: Mexico Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #5 | Last Week: #2 | Weeks On List: 132 Titles: WBA, WBO, The Ring

6. Israel Vazquez Country: Mexico Record: 43-4-0 (31 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #6 | Last Week: #5 | Weeks On List: 112

7. Rafael Marquez Country: Mexico Record: 38-5-0 (34 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #7 | Last Week: #6 | Weeks On List: 70

8. Nonito Donaire Country: USA (San Leandro, Calif.) Record: 22-1-0 (14 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #8 | Last Week: #7 | Weeks On List: 21 Titles: IBF

9. Miguel Cotto Country: Puerto Rico Record: 34-1-0 (27 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #9 | Last Week: #8 | Weeks On List: 21 Titles: WBO

10. Celestino Caballero Country: Panama Record: 33-2-0 (23 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #10 | Last Week: #9 | Weeks On List: 35 Titles: IBF, WBA

Nakita ko na din itong Survey na ito, at Proud ako Syempre
Pinoy yata tayo!..Smile
Let's hope and Pray na hindi maka tsamba si Cotto over Manny.
Ma dominate sana ni Pacman lahat ng Rounds, at Sa Final Round,
Babagsak  Si Cotto.(for sure)
Gusto ko na Makita ang Battle Foe ni Floyd Angas sa mga
kamay ni Manny, Ito ang pinakamasarap Gulpihin ni Pacman.
At Para masara na ang Ingay nya sa Titulong Pound for pound King..Smile>
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doglover posted on October 1, 2009 04:44PM
bagongsilang posted on October 1, 2009 03:45PM
doglover posted on September 30, 2009 07:01PM
ardong posted on September 30, 2009 12:19PM
<Hehe... Parang Plantsado itong Thread mo sa mga Sagot ha..Smile
Para sayo, sino ba talaga ang karadapat-dapat sa titulong Pound-4-Pound King?

No Doubt naman sating mga Pinoy na Si Manny talaga ang P4P King eh..
lalo na, If Pacquiao will win over Miguel Cotto. It will solidifies the Filipino's grip
on the top spot and places him in unchartered territory in boxing. and we are
very proud of it, as Filipino..Smile

Maging balanse tayo! Kung Ikaw ay isang American born Citizen
Sino naman ang P4P king para sayo? Ipaglalaban din nila yun
Pananaw nila.. Pansinin nyo din: From retirement, Napahinga at nagliwaliw
itong si Floyd Angas. Si Marquez, Stay Fit, at Insayado.
Sabihin na natin, mas mabigat sa timbang, Pero yung Skills 100%
parin eh. Mabilis, Malakas, Magulang, Matalino. Yang ang Boksing
Sabi nga ni Manny Before, Hindi nakukuha sa Palakihan yan, sa lakas ng Suntok yan!



tama kapatid, ika nga, Love Our Own.
pero Mayweather still fell short to the 2nd spot in the P4P list(RING Magazine) because he just beat the 2nd best which is Marquez. alam mo sinasabi sa mga boxing articles, "Mayweather beat the best lightweight". no doubt sa skills ni Marquez pero he's not in the level of Mayweather. no way he could ever match Mayweather. JMM's last two fights were against Casamayor, an over-the-hill grandpa boxer, pero nahirapan pa rin sya kay Casa. in eaarly rounds, pinaglaruan pa nga sya e. naover confidence lang si Casamayor kaya hindi nag-ingat at napatulog sya ni Marquez. next ang over rated na slappy at one-dimensional na si Jaun Diaz. Marquez looked good syempre dahil hindi naman nya ka-level tong si Diaz pagdating sa skills. but still, Diaz had his rounds and inflicted damages on Marquez face.
what I'm trying to say here is that Marquez, although a seasoned, skilled fighter, probably the best lightweight there is, he's not a worthy contender for Mayweather. kaya nga obvious na sa marami ang outcome ng laban na'to, Mayweather for the win. pero di pa rin sya nagawang patulugin ni Floyd. kahit na outclassed na outclassed si Marquez.
ang bottomline dito, walang napatunayan si Mayweather in beating a smaller lightweight in welterweight limit. had he fought Joshua Clottey or Shane Mosley or Antonio Margarito and won, he will definitely dethrone Manny on the top spot.
pero for now, Manny will still be the Pound-4-Pound king until Cotto beat him on November 14. 

THE RING RATINGS - As of Sept. 20, 2009

Pound For Pound

All Weights

1. Manny Pacquiao

Country: Philippines

Record: 49-3-2 (37 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #1 | Last Week: #1 | Weeks On List: 303

Titles: The Ring

2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada) Record: 40-0-0 (25 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #2 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1

3. Shane Mosley Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada) Record: 46-5-0 (39 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #3 | Last Week: #4 | Weeks On List: 35 Titles: WBA

4. Bernard Hopkins Country: USA (Philadelphia, Pa.) Record: 49-5-1 (32 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #4 | Last Week: #3 | Weeks On List: 172 5. Juan Manuel Marquez Country: Mexico Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #5 | Last Week: #2 | Weeks On List: 132 Titles: WBA, WBO, The Ring

6. Israel Vazquez Country: Mexico Record: 43-4-0 (31 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #6 | Last Week: #5 | Weeks On List: 112

7. Rafael Marquez Country: Mexico Record: 38-5-0 (34 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #7 | Last Week: #6 | Weeks On List: 70

8. Nonito Donaire Country: USA (San Leandro, Calif.) Record: 22-1-0 (14 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #8 | Last Week: #7 | Weeks On List: 21 Titles: IBF

9. Miguel Cotto Country: Puerto Rico Record: 34-1-0 (27 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #9 | Last Week: #8 | Weeks On List: 21 Titles: WBO

10. Celestino Caballero Country: Panama Record: 33-2-0 (23 KOs) Ranking: This Week: #10 | Last Week: #9 | Weeks On List: 35 Titles: IBF, WBA

Nakita ko na din itong Survey na ito, at Proud ako Syempre
Pinoy yata tayo!..Smile
Let's hope and Pray na hindi maka tsamba si Cotto over Manny.
Ma dominate sana ni Pacman lahat ng Rounds, at Sa Final Round,
Babagsak  Si Cotto.(for sure)
Gusto ko na Makita ang Battle Foe ni Floyd Angas sa mga
kamay ni Manny, Ito ang pinakamasarap Gulpihin ni Pacman.
At Para masara na ang Ingay nya sa Titulong Pound for pound King..Smile>

don't wori bro, hindi tsambang mapapatumba ni Pacquiao si Cotto.
naniniwala ako kay Coach Roach, pag sinabi nya, nangyayri.
mana-knock out ni Pacquiao si Cotto. sigurado yun!
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si Manny pa rin ang number 1! go Manny!
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magaling ang palitan ng diskusyon nina doglover at bagong silang

pero sa kin, mas inclined ako sa mga batayan na sinasabi ni doglover :)

masyadong ingat sa pagpili ng kalaban itong si mayweather, para lang maprotektahan ang kanyang record na zero loss, pero di lang naman sa win loss records ang batayan kundi level of competition (pagka malaki ang chance na matalo siya (mayweather), ayaw lumaban at sa tingin ko, anuman ang mangyari di yan lalaban ke paul williams, SILAT SIYA DYAN TIYAK, mas malaki at mahaba ang mga kamay at mabilis, volume puncher pa tong isang to kaya ayaw labanan ng kahit na sino sa welterweight division gang sa napilitan na lang siyang umakyat ng timbang tutal malaki naman siya para umakyat at kalabanin ang mga top contenders dun, unlike mayweather, yung kinalaban nya lately ay 2 divisions below his, then yung agreed weight limit ay di niya tinupad at mas ginusto pang magbayad na lang, anyway, liit lang nman ng bayad at sa tindi ng pagnanais ni marquez na makipagmagalingan ke pacquiao na umakyat na ng timbang, kaya khit overweight si FMJ lalaban at lalaban siya, hayun, siya tuloy nasilat.

Walang napatunayan si FMJ sa kanyang pagkakapanalo ke marquez lately, at alam ng kampo ni mosley na nag spy sa kampo ni FMJ na kahit nung sinasabing nagretire na si FMJ ay di tumitigil actually ng ensayo, kaya walang ring rust na sinasabi/inaasahan sa isang talagang retirado sa pagboboksing, at isa pa si SRL nung magretire sa boxing, nung mag comeback sa boxing ay matitindi ang kinalaban/top dogs sa boxing at umakyat pa ng division at pinatumba/KO nya kalaban, eh itong si Floyd, di pa na KO ang mas maliit at mas mabagal na kalaban. He had the chance pero ingat pa rin, kasi takot at baka siya pa ang mapuruhan ma KO pa siya. :)




Message appended on October 7, 2009 07:26PM
doglover posted on October 1, 2009 07:30PM

don't wori bro, hindi tsambang mapapatumba ni Pacquiao si Cotto.
naniniwala ako kay Coach Roach, pag sinabi nya, nangyayri.
mana-knock out ni Pacquiao si Cotto. sigurado yun!

agree ako dyan, kaya nya patumbahin si cotto, dahil mas mabilis si pacman at malakas ang suntok niya, kaya niyang patamaan ng malakas na suntok.

pero doubt ako sa ngayon na kayanin nyang patumbahin si Floyd, malamang decision lang yan at dadaanin sa pabilisan, konting aksyon/salpukan dahil ingat na ingat na naman si Floyd na matalo, pero once na magkamali si floyd, baka mangyari somebody's O has got to go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2tpyoz50Zk&feature=related


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