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Hi guys, just wanted to share this guide I made from PCExperts Smile

This guide is for video cards that should be avoided for the poor performance given their prices.
Conversion Rate: $1 US dollar = PhP 48 pesos (for those viewing this internationally)

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Table of Contents:
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I. Video Card Reference List (VCRL)
II. Video Card Avoid List (VCAL)
i. PCI
ii. AGP
iii. PCI-E
III. On Multi-GPU Gaming (SLI/TRI-SLI/QUAD SLI/CROSSFIRE/HYBRID CROSSFIRE/HYBRID CROSSFIREX) (OMGG)
IV. Warning!!! READ THIS!!! (WRT)
V. What is the maximum amount of memory for my Video Card without wasting money? (WMAM)
VI. Best Buys (BBU)
VII. What games and resolutions/image quality can my Video Card Play? (WGRI)
VIII. CPU vs. GPU Upgrade: The Truth About Bottlenecks (CGTA)
IX. Video Card Rankings (VCR)
X. NEW SECTION!!! ----> Video Card Power Consumption Guide (VCPC)
XI. NEW SECTION!!! ---->Power Supply Guide... Choosing the Right PSU (PSGC)
XII. NEW SECTION!!! ----> Compatibility Issues with PCI-E 1.0 and PCI-E 2.0 (CIWP)
XIII. NEW SECTION!!! ---->So.. What brand should I get? (SWBS)




NOTE: This guide is based on the assumption that the video cards are priced at MSRP. It will now be entirely up to you if you would want to buy an Inno3d GTX295 for 25,000 or an XFX GTX295 for 30,000, or if you would want to buy a special edition or overclocked version of a particular card (I.E, Palit's Sonic or Inno3D's Ichill)




I. Video Card Reference List (VCRL)
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For reference on the specs of the video cards, refer to these:
Nvidia - from pre geforce diamond edge/tnt2 up until GTX295
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units

ATI - from Radeon 74/7000 up until HD4870 X2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units

II. Video Card AVOID List (VCAL)
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These are mostly based on PC EXPRESS and various tipidpc sellers' price lists.
AVOID THE FOLLOWING:
i. PCI
well actually, you only have the MX440, FX5200 and FX5500 to contend with.. and ALL of them should be avoided because they are overpriced and perform poorly compared to AGP and PCI-E cards of the same price

ii. AGP 2/4/8X
ATI
Radeon 7000 = really really really old. did i say it's really old?
Radeon 9200/9250 = DirectX 8 pa to.
X700/9550SE/9550ULTRA/9550pro = very slow and very old. Unless the most graphically intensive game you're gonna play is DOTA, avoid.
9600XT = A 7600GS AGP for 4k is even faster than a 9800XT in Crossfire! (if ever there is one -which of course there isn't ) hehehe
9700Pro/9800Pro/9800XT - A 7300GTDDR3 will beat the crap out of these old school "monsters"
X1300pro = Being similarly priced as its bigger X1600 bretheren, and bested by its Nvidia competitor the 7300GT, this overpriced card is not a good deal.


NVIDIA
Geforce 2 MX400/Geforce 4 MX4000/MX440 etc.. = old outdated technology and sometimes overpriced. AVOID at all costs. Geforce4 MX440 is just a Geforce 2 MX400 on steroids. Don't be deceived.
Geforce 3 Ti300/500 = Magmano kayo when you see these because they should have been buried a long time ago. Still if you see a used one selling for only around 300 bucks, then it's a steal Smile
Geforce 4 Ti4200/4400/4600/4800 = Once king of the hill 5 years ago is no longer an option to buy..Even for second hand.
Geforce FX5200/5500/5600/5700/5800/5900 = many people fall for this especially the 5200... poor shader performance, and very deceiving despite their costs. (many people will think.. ok na to geforce 5 naman eh. WRONG.)
Geforce 6600 series = these older gen cards should have died along with its 5 series predecessors. If you really need to have one of these, make sure to stay away from the "LE" ones.
Geforce 7600 512mb DDR2 = This is marketing at its best, giving people delusions of greater speed with 512megs of memory. But the truth is, the 7600 128bit architecture won't be able to fully use this to its advantage, making it just the same speed with the 256mb version. Get that instead.


iii. PCI-Express 1.0/2.0
ATI
X300/X550/X700/X700Pro = very old and very slow. period.
X1300hi mem/X1300 = also old and slow.
X1300PRO = "No Thank you. For the same price, im way faster than you!" - 7300GT DDR3
X1550 = this is an X1300 on steroids.
X1600PRO/X1600XT = the newer HD3xxxs are out and for the same price
X1650XT = Now that the affordable 8500/8600 series has come, i dont see any reason to buy this.
X800GTO/X800GT - SM2.0 lang, getting old narin because it's twice more expensive and just a bit faster (the GTO) than a 7300GT ddr3.. the X800GT is even slower.
X800XL/X800XT/X850XT = Thankfully nobody's selling these anymore! If you see one, they're not worth any more than 1.5k Smile
X1800XT 512MB = its more expensive yet slower than an X1900XT 256/512mb. also try to avoid any other X1800 series of cards as newer, faster and cheaper alternatives are already out
X1900XTX / X1950XTX = Yup the HD4850 is twice faster and will eat this alive. not worth any more than 3.5k second hand.
HD2900 XT = Power hungry, and needs a big *ss power supply. It's performance is also not too inspiring. I'd get the HD4830 or the 9800GT, both of which are faster and cheaper....and consume less power.
HD2400 and HD2600 = No. Just no.
HD3450 and 3650 DDR2 version = The 3450 is simply pathetic. The 3650 however shows it can be faster than an 8600GT given that it has gDDR3 memory. So avoid the DDR2 version.
HD3850 = Unless you can source one for around 3k, then this card would be overpriced.
HD3870 gDDR3/gDDR4 The 4670 and the 4830 have now replaced this card, and should be priced no more than 4k brand new or second hand.
HD4870X2 = OH YES. As of March 12, the 4870X2 remains equally priced to the GTX295 (locally) even if the GTX295 beats it hands down. This does not help the fact that the X2 is still being plagued by poor driver support in some games. So unless prices come down to around 21k, avoid.


NVIDIA
Geforce 6200/6500/6600LE = They shouldn't be selling these anymore!
Geforce 6600/6600OC/6600GT/6800XT = these were once the best performing cards for their price, but the 9500gt ddr3 now trumps all these for only 2.8k!!!
Geforce 6800/6800GT/6800ULTRA = The fastest of the 6 series back then is now 4 generations old... don't buy these unless given at a low 2nd hand price(<2k) since even a simple 7600GT/8600GT is FASTER than a 6800Ultra and beats the crap out of the 6800GT....no wait I don't think i gave it enough justice. A single 8600GT/7600GT is FASTER than TWO 6800GTs in SLI! Surprised
Geforce 7100GS = oooh you can SLI this thing! but who cares? unless you need a simple GPU then stay away from this!
Geforce 7300LE = Again, the 9500GT is here.
Geforce 7300GT DDR2 / 7300GT DDR3 = DX10 is here and so is the 9500GT priced the same as the 7300GT DDR3 in some stores. The 9500GT is a lot faster, and has more features. The rest is common sense. Smile
Geforce 7600GS = DX10 has come and so has the 8500GT/8600GT/and 8600GTS which will replace the 7600GS/7600GS(T)DDR3/7600GT! The 8500GT will be the wiser choice vs. the 7600GS ddr2. It has roughly the same performance but is future-proofed by DX10, is cheaper, and supports all new G86 features like accelerated H.264 decode.
Geforce 7600GT = Almost all Geforce 7 series cards have now been put into the avoid list since the 8 and 9 and GTX series has come out, and despite the 7600GT's replacement the 8600GTS not quite living up to it's name.
Geforce 7800GT/7800GTX = these are the older and slower and more expensive cards that are slower than the 7900gt in almost everything, except for the 7800GTX 512. so avoid Smile
Geforce 7900GS = Unless priced under 3k, the 8600GTS would be faster, but then again, you should avoid that card too.
Geforce 7900GT = like the 7900GS, only get this if selling for less than 2k, second hand. Smile
Geforce 7900GTX 512mb & Geforce 7950GX2 1gb ddr3 = These cards should be avoided since everyone knows that the 8 series has already come out. Now unless you can get used/2nd hand samples of these under 3k since the HD 4670 512mb (4k) is faster than these. A single 8800GT 512mb is also FASTER than two 7900GTX in SLI SurprisedSurprised or Even two 7950GX2s in QUAD SLI SurprisedSurprisedSurprisedSurprisedSurprised
Geforece 8500GT (all models) = no point in buying this now since the 9500GT costs 500-1000 more but is 2x faster. ...not unless you REALLY REALLY need that 500 elsewhere... you're still wasting your money though
Geforce 8600GT gDDR3 = The advent of the newer and faster 9500GT(but not much faster) costing cheaper than this is enough to make you stay away.
Geforce 8600GTS = Honestly, i was very disappointed with its performance, slotting in between the 7900GS and the X1950Pro. I was expecting more performance (7900GT levels) just like the 6600GT and 7600GT did when they came out. (6600GT faster than 5950XT ; 7600GT faster than 6800ultra). Stay away from this.
Geforce 8800GTS 320mb AND 640mb = with the release of the 8800GT 512 and the 8800GTS 512mb, these two cards suddenly became obsolete. don't buy unless offered 2nd hand under 4k. The 9600GT costing 4.5-5.5k is even faster than these.
Geforce 8800GTS 512mb = This is debatable... The 9800GTX is dropping its price to around 9-10k, so old stock of the 8800GTS will sell for 11k. That's the only reason this should be avoided, if ever.
Geforce 8800GT (G92) 512mb = Yep! You can find the new 9800GT much cheaper than this. Although the 9800GT is a renamed 8800GT, there are small differences such as hybridSLI and HybridPower which allow for huge power savings... given you are using the right Nvidia board and chipset
Geforce 8800GTX 768mb AND 8800ULTRA 768mb = These older model G80 chips are phased out and for its performance should cost around 7-9k second hand, with the Ultra costing around 10k.
Geforce 9400GT (all variants) = unless you really need that 500, I'd suggest using that and get the 9500GT (256mb gDDR3) instead and experience a 50% increase in performance. The 9400GT is no more than a rebadged 8500GT.
Geforce 9500GT 512/1gb & DDR2 = the best performing 9500GT (and the cheapest) is the 256mb gDDR3 version as well.
Geforce 9800GTX/GTX+ = As of March 12, These 2 cards have already been replaced/rebranded as the GTS250 which comes in at a very affordable php7,500. While the GTS250 is essentially a rebranded 9800GTX+, which is a smaller die 9800GTX, which is a rebranded 8800GTS 512, avoid the GTX/GTX+ unless you can have them for 7500 or less brand new.
Geforce GTX 260 896mb = This is the non-core 216 version, and of course the older 65nm fab. Avoid this card if priced above 11k brand new or second hand.
Geforce GTX 280 1gb = The advent of the GTX285 suddenly made owners of 280s insecure. Avoid this card if priced above 16k brand new or second hand, as the faster GTX285s can be had for 17k


Feel free to add more cards and comment on my post Smile Obviously hindi yan perfect Smile



III. On Multi-GPU Gaming (SLI/TRI-SLI/QUAD SLI/CROSSFIRE/HYBRID CROSSFIRE/HYBRID CROSSFIREX) (OMGG)
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Multi Core gaming is now becoming mainstream. Whereas SLI and Crossfire before is reserved for enthusiasts, mainstream consumers are realizing the potential that SLI and Crossfire wields.

Crossfire and SLI performance scaling has also been improving with each generation of video cards and each release of drivers.

Years ago, you'd have to spend 50+k on a single 7950GX2 dual core video card. Now, you can get two 9800GX2's with less money, or beat the monstrous GTX280 with two HD4870's!. The GT200 chip of Nvidia and RV770 chip of AMD has definitely made things more interesting. Nvidia now holds the fastest single and dual chip graphics cards in the world (GTX280 & GTX295), while ATI is holding on to the best value for money cards right now.

With the new releases, Nvidia and AMD are fighting once again for market share. Here is a rough breakdown
2-4k = 9500GT/HD4670
4k = 9600GT
5-6k = 8800GT/9800GT/GTS240/HD4830
7-8k = HD 4850, GTS 250
11-13k = GTX260 Core 216/ HD4870 512/1gb
17-18K = GTX285
23-27k = HD4870X2 / GTX295

- HD4850X2 still has no pricing here.

- The GTX260 has finally dropped its prices locally to compete with the 4870! The GTX260 is faster than the 4870 with AA enabled, while the 4870 is faster w/o AA, but overall, the GTX260 is now faster due to newer drivers. Get the Core 216 version. It's faster than the 4870 1gb.

- The 9800GT has been rereleased and renamed as the GTS240

- The 9800GTX+ has also been rereleased and renamed as the GTS 250




IV. Warning!!!! READ THIS!!! (WRT)
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AVOID and do not be fooled by cards with DDR2 (as much as possible, get cards equipped with at least gDDR3), lowend cards with 512mb RAM, or midrange cards with 1gb of ram.

Let's do a little example. Examine these cards and their prices
512mb Palit 8600 GT Super (128bit) DDR2 pcie ---- php2810
1gb Palit 8500 GT Super+ (128bit) DDR2 pcie ---- php2840
256mb Palit 8600 GT Regular (128bit) DDR3 pcie ---- php 3050
256mb Palit 8600 GT Sonic (128bit) DDR3 pcie ---- php3450
1gb (1024mb) Palit 8600 GT Super+ (128bit) DDR2 pcie ---- php3560

they are arranged according to price, BUT NOT ACCORDING TO PERFORMANCE/SPEED. Here is the real list from slowest to fastest:
1gb Palit 8500 GT Super+ (128bit) DDR2 pcie ---- php2840
512mb Palit 8600 GT Super (128bit) DDR2 pcie ---- php2810
1gb (1024mb) Palit 8600 GT Super+ (128bit) DDR2 pcie ---- php3560
256mb Palit 8600 GT Regular (128bit) DDR3 pcie ---- php 3050
256mb Palit 8600 GT Sonic (128bit) DDR3 pcie ---- php3450

1. See how the most expensive card with 1Gb is not the fastest?
2. See how the 8600GT with 512mb DDR2 is slower than it's 256mb gDDR3 counterpart?


V. What is the maximum amount of memory for my Video Card without wasting money? (WMAM)
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Since there are a lot of new versions of cards coming out with varying amounts of memory, many of which make it more confusing for the consumer which one is the faster and better buy, I have come up with a simple guide on what is the optimal amount of RAM a particular GPU can fully utilize. This is so that buyers may become aware of products that offer tons of RAM, but in reality are not really that much faster with a similar GPU with half the RAM.

THIS IS APPLICABLE TO MOST, BUT NOT ALL SITUATIONS.

These are cards currently being sold in the market (03/12/09)
Video Cards Optimized for NO MORE THAN 256mb RAM
- 7300GT
- 7600GT
- 8500GT
- 8600GT
- 9400GT
- 9500GT
- HD 2600XT (gDDR4)
- HD 3450

Video Cards Optimized for NO MORE THAN 512mb RAM
- 8600GTS
- 9600GT
- 9600GSO (768mb)
- 8800GT
- 9800GT
- HD 3650
- HD 2900XT
- HD 3850
- HD 3870 (gDDR4)
- HD 4670
- HD 4830
- HD 4850

Video Cards Optimized for NO MORE THAN 1GB RAM
- 8800GTS (G92)
- 9800GTX/9800GTX+
- 9800GX2
- 3870X2
- HD4870
- GTS 240
- GTS 250
- GTX260
- GTX280

Video Cards Optimized for MORE THAN 1GB RAM
- HD4870 X2 1/2/4Gb Versions
- HD4850 X2 2gb
- GTX260 Core216
- GTX 285
- GTX 295

VI. BEST BUYS (BBU)
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The best buys right now are the ff: (compare to rankings for more info on relative performance)

LOWEND
X1550Pro AGP
9500GT 256mb gDDR3 (3k)
HD4650 512mb gDDR3(3k)

LOWER MIDRANGE
HD3650 512mb DDR2 (4k) AGP
HD4670 512 (4k)
HD4830 512 (6k)
9600GT 512mb gDDR3 (4k)
9800GT 512mb gDDR3 (5k) (Formerly 8800GT) (Soon to be GTS 240)


UPPER MIDRANGE
HD3850 (6k)AGP
HD4850 512mb (7.5k)
9600GT SLI (8k)
9800GT SLI (10k)


HIGHEND/Enthusiast
HD4850 512mb CrossFire (15-18k)
HD4870 512mb gDDR5 (11-12k)
HD4870 1gb gDDR5 (12-13k)
HD4850X2 1/2gb (13-16k)
GTX 260 Core 216 (13.8k)
GTX 285 (17k)
GTX295 (24k)


For AGP, it is getting harder and harder to find good value cards as this is soon becoming a legacy interface. Good luck in finding Geforce 8 Series or ATI HD cards for AGP. The most abundant offerings are the geforce 7s. The 7300gt ddr2 is just as fast as the 6600gt, sometimes faster, but the 7300 is cheaper. The 7600gs is just a bit slower than the older 6800gt so any of the two is fine HOWEVER, ATI seems to have captured the highend AGP market with the X1650XT and the X1950Pro. Nvidia only has the older 7800GS and the rare 7600GT to compete with it. Both of which are like needles to be found in this massive haystack market. There is an HD3850 for AGP systems... good luck finding that as well. What's more, AGP cards offer a high premium since demand is low. So you get much much less performance for your money. Better skip the AGP upgrade and save up for a PCI-E system.


If you're still using PCI interface, chances are your processor is old as well.. skip the video card upgrade for there are no good ones and buy a new processor and mobo Smile some onboard videos on mobos offer decent (bare minimum) gaming performance like ATI's HD3200 chipset, Intel's GMA X4500 (offering DX10) or nVidia's Geforce 9200/9300. like PCCruztemp said, avoid Intel GMA/Extreme Graphics/S3 etc if you plan to play games using onboard video. temporary fix lang ang onboard video until one gets enough money to buy a more decent solution. For a temporary solution, ATI currently offers the fastest onboard graphics with its HD3200/3400 780/790 chipsets. But don't expect high quality gaming with those..





VII. What games and resolutions/image quality can my Video Card Play? (WGRI)
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This compilation was done by Guru3d.com and i thought it best to add it under the request of other members. Smile Note that only recent cards are included and please do not request for other cards/games from me since i wasn't the one who compiled this.

From Guru3d:
Examples how you could use these charts:

* If you want to purchase a certain graphics card, yet do not know how well a certain game will perform at 1280x1024. You just check the card versus resolution and look at the color coding or pictogram for your answer.
* You want to play F.e.a.r at a decent framerate at 1600x1200. What would be the cheapest card for that ? Just look up F.e.a.r. versus 1600x1200 and observe where performance is acceptable enough for you.

Test Setup:

*
nVIDIA nForce 680i SLI (eVGA) (FOR SLI)
Asus P5E3 Deluxe X38 (For CrossFire)
nVIDIA nForce 790i SLI (For 3-Way and Quad SLI)
*
Core 2 Duo X6800 Extreme (Conroe)
Core 2 Duo E8400 (Penryn)
Core 2 Extreme QX9770 (For 3-Way and Quad SLI Tests
* 2048 MB (2x1024MB) DDR2 CAS4 @ 1142 MHz Dominator Corsair
2048 MB (2x1024MB) DDR3 1333 MHz Corsair
* Enermax Galaxy 1000 Watt Power Supply
* WD Raptor 150 GB
* Dell 3007WFP - resolutions up-to 2560x1600

OS related Software

* Windows Vista 32-bit
* DirectX 9/10 End User Runtime
* Latest graphics cards drivers available
* NVIDIA nForce 590/680iplatform driver 9.53

This is gonna be long... First UP!!
3DMark 06
Default Settings

3DMark Vantage
Default Settings (Performance)


GAMES Review>>>>>










Again, this all came and was done by Guru3d.com. Hope this may help you in your problems/inquiries. Smile





VIII. NEW SECTION ---> GPU vs. CPU Upgrade: The Truth About Bottlenecks (CGTA)
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This is yet another new section for those worried about their CPU bottlenecking their GPU... Here's the lowdown:

UNLESS YOU ARE BENCHMARKING, OR ARE PLAYING THE MOST DEMANDING GAME AVAILABLE, THEN YOU WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY A CPU BOTTLENECK

***Article and some snippets taken from overclock.net poster "Ihatethedukes"

WHAT IS A BOTTLENECK?
What IS a bottleneck? A condition in a system where one component is slower than the rest at its given task and causes the other components to sit around and 'wait' for it so that it can continue it's work.

A perfect example of this is a steel mill. The raw steel components of iron and whatnot are brought in by truckers. The workers then melt it down, pour it, press it into long flat sheets, roll it up and ship it out on trucks. A bottleneck in this system would come from truckers unable to ship in raw materials as fast as the workers use it to make steel. The reason why is obvious, the workers cannot make rolled steel if they have no steel to roll. So they are stuck waiting around for a truck to come in and then work at their task.



THEREFORE....
Your computer playing a video game is the same way. If your CPU is markedly slower than your GPU, it will bottleneck it down to the maximum speed that your CPU can render AI/physics/etc. It doesn't matter if your GPU can output 1000FPS your CPU can only execute 100FPS worth of instructions, so your GPU will be waiting around for your CPU to finish his job (the equivalent to a truck coming in) and then the GPU will quickly process the graphical data needed and will wait around for another batch (truck) to come in.

The same goes in the opposite direction, a GPU only able to put out 100FPS and a CPU that can output 1000FPS will still only output 100FPS for the same reasons.

Something most people don't take into account is that MOST LCD MONITORS ONLY PUT OUT 60Hz or 60FPS. Therefore even if your CPU AND GPU can output 1000FPS your monitor will only show 60FPS. That is the biggest bottleneck in MOST high end machines with less than enormous monitors.

To FURTHER muck things up, the eye cannot tell the difference past 75FPS as an organ and cannot distinguish between 14 individual images per second and and real motion. As far as rendered images go, the lowest playable FPS is ABOUT 30-40 FPS for various reasons that I don't feel the need to go over, simply knowing that 30-40 FPS are what we need for fluid game play is enough. So, if you get 10000 frames flashed at you in a second you will see the same thing as if you saw 40 frames flashed in the same amount of time of the same video as before. I will mercifully IGNORE this problem and focus only on the bottlenecks on the hardware level.

As stated before, the general rule FOR ALL LCD MONITORS is that on its max resolution, a monitor will only be able to output 60FPS. For the sake of this argument, lets assume that 60Hz is the max FPS a monitor can put out across it's entire resolution range since we're assuming that the monitor you own has the max resolution you're going to use. This is a HUGE and completely immovable bottleneck to the system. 60FPS.


Surprised? Let me reiterate further. Like I said, if you are benchmarking and looking for the maximum FPS, then you will notice the reduced FPS results being produced. BUT, if you are a normal gamer, here are a few important facts:

1. Your LCD can only output 60-75hz, meaning you can only see 60-75fps, making the LCD the REAL BOTTLENECK
2. Given this is so, if your GPU can render 1000fps, and your slower CPU can render 100fps, therefore, your monitor software (FRAPS) will be showing 100fps,
3.There is still no real bottleneck since the eye cannot see anything more than 75fps.
4. How can you compensate for this? easy. MAX OUT ALL THE DETAILS!!! (AA/AF/ETC). Why? Your CPU can render only 100fps while your GPU can render 1000... therefore, there is so much potential your GPU is not using. Use this untapped potential and turn everything on!

To hell with buying a new CPU that will only make allow my GPU to render images THAT NO ONE WILL EVER SEE! That's right, your GPU be rendering images, just to erase them because your monitor cannot display as many as it puts out! Why would you even do that? WHY?! It's utterly pointless.

So, go ahead and buy your HD4870... but don't get a Penryn/MoBo/DDR3 too. Just save the 20k from the proposed upgrade and buy a huge monitor and CRANK the EYE CANDY!

And this.... is how I learned to stop worrying and just buy the video card. ^_^


Read this article here for additional info:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-gpu-upgrade,1928.html
IX. Video Card Rankings (VCR)
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March 2009 UPDATED VIDEO CARD RANKINGS from overclock.net poster Astroz & slowend with few personal modifications and SLI/CrossFire Rankings by myself


1. GTX 295 1792mb Quad SLI
2. GTX 285 1gb 3-WAY SLI
3. GTX 280 1gb 3-WAY SLI
4. HD4870 X2 Quad CrossFire
5. 9800GX2 Quad SLI*
6. GTS 250 1gb 3-Way SLI
7. 9800GTX+ 3 Way SLI
8. 8800ULTRA 3 Way SLI
9. 9800GTX 3 Way SLI
10. GTX 285 1gb SLI
11. GTX 280 1gb SLI
12. GTX 295 1792mb
13. GTX 260 Core216 SLI (65/55nm)
14. HD4870 1gb CrossFire
15. GTX 260 896mb SLI
16. HD4870 X2 2gb
17. HD4870 CrossFireX
18. HD4870 + HD4850 Hybrid CrossFireX
19. GTS 250 1gb SLI
20. HD4850X2 2gb
21. HD4850X2 1gb
22. 8800Ultra 768mb SLI
23. 9800GTX+ 512mb SLI
24. 8800GTX (G80) SLI
25. GTX 285 1gb
26. GTX 280 1gb
27. HD4850 512mb CrossFireX
28. 9800GTX 512mb SLI
29. 9800GX2 1gb
30. HD3870X2 Quad CrossFireX*
31. HD3870X2 + HD3870 CrossFireX
32. 8800GTS (G92 512mb) SLI
33. 8800GT (G92 512mb) SLI
34. 9600GT OC SLI
35. 9600GT SLI
36. GTX 260 Core216 (65/55nm)
37. HD4870 1gb gDDR5
38. GTX 260 896mb
39. HD3870 512 gDDR4 CrossFire
40. HD4870
41. HD3870X2
42. 8800Ultra
43. 9800GTX+
44. HD4850
45. 8800GTX 768mb
46. 9800GTX 512mb
47. 8800GTS 512MB (G92 Revision)
48. HD4830 512
49. 8800GT 512MB/ 9800GT 512mb (same card)
50. HD2900XT CrossFire
51. 7900GTX SLI
52. HD3870 512MB gDDR4
53. 9600GT 1gb
54. 9600GT 512
55. HD3850 256mb CrossFire
56. 9600GSO/8800GS 768mb OC
57. HD4670 512
58. HD3870 512MB gDDR3
59. HD2900XT 1GB
60. HD2900Pro 1GB
61. HD2900XT 512MB
62. HD2900Pro 512MB
63. X1900 XT CrossFire
64. X1950 XTX CrossFire
65. 7800GTX 512mb SLI
66. 7950GX2 1gb Quad SLI
67. X1900 XTX CrossFire
68. 7950GT 512mb SLI
69. 7900GT 256mb SLI
70. 8600GTS 256mb SLI
71. 8800GTS 640MB
72. HD3850 512MB
73. 8800GT 256MB
74. 8800GTS 320MB
75. 7950GX2
76. 8800GS/9600GSO 384mb
77. HD 3850 256MB
78. HD2900GT
79. 8600GT 256mb gDDR3 SLI
80. X1950XTX
81. X1900XTX
82. X1950XT
83. X1900XT 512MB
84. 7900GTX
85. X1900XT 256MB
86. 7900GTO
87. 7800GTX 512MB
88. 7950GT
89. X1650 XT Crossfire
90. X1950Pro 512MB
91. X1950Pro 256MB
92. 7600GT SLI
93. 7900GT 512MB
94. 8600GTS
95. 9500GT 256 gDDR3
96. X1800XT 512MB
97. 7900GT 256MB
98. X1800XT 256MB
99. X1900GT
100. X1950GT
101. 8600GT 512MB
102. 8600GT 256MB
103. X1900GT Rev2
104. 7800GTX 256MB
105. 7900GS
106. 7800GT
107. 6800GT SLI
108. HD2600 Pro Crossfire
109. 7600GS SLI
110. X1800XL
111. 7800GS
112. X1800GTO
113. HD2600XT
114. HD3650
115. X1650XT
116. X850XTPE
117. 7600GT
118. X850XT
119. 7600GTS
120. HD2600Pro
121. X800XT/PE
122. 6800Ultra/EE
123. 6800GT
124. 6800GS
125. X800XL
126. X850Pro
127. X800pro
128. X800GTO/GTO2
129. 9400GT
130. 8500GT
131. Chrome 440GTX
132. Chrome 430
133. X1650Pro
134. X1600XT
135. 7600GS
136. HD2400XT
137. X800
138. 6800
139. X800GT
140. 7300GT
141. X1300XT
142. X1600Pro
143. HD3450
144. 8400GS
145. 6800XT/LE
146. 6600GT
147. HD2400Pro
148. X700Pro
149. 9800XT
150. 5950Ultra
151. 9800Pro
152. 5900Ultra
153. 9700Pro
154. 5800Ultra
155. 9800
156. 9800SE 256bit
157. S3 Chrome S27
158. X700
159. 9700
160. 5900
161. 5800
162. X1300Pro
163. 6600
164. 5900XT
165. X600XT
166. TI4800
167. TI4600
168. 9600XT
169. TI4800SE
170. X1550
171. X1300
172. 5700Ultra
173. 9500Pro
174. 9800SE 128bit
175. X600
176. 9600Pro
177. TI4400
178. 9500
179. 6600LE
180. X1300SE
181. 5700
182. 7300GS
183. 9600
184. 6200
185. 6200LE
186. X550
187. TI4200
188. 5600
189. 5600XT
190. 9550
191. 9600SE
192. 7300LE
193. 5500
194. X1050
195. X300
196. 7300SE
197. 7100GS
198. 9550SE
199. 9200Pro
200. 9000Pro
201. Matrox Parhelia
202. 8500Pro
203. GeForce3 TI500
204. 8500
205. 8500LE
206. 5200Ultra
207. 9200
208. 9250
209. GeForce4 MX460
210. 5200
211. 9000
212. 9200SE
213. GeForce3
214. GeForce3 TI200
215. GeForce4 MX 440
216. 7500
217. GeForce2 Ultra
218. GeForce2 GTS
219. GeForce4 MX 420
220. Radeon (later renamed Radeon 7200)
221. GeForce 256 DDR
222. Voodoo5 5500
223. GeForce2 MX 400
224. GeForce 256
225. Savage 2000
226. GeForce2 MX
227. Radeon VE (later renamed Radeon 7000)
228. Voodoo4 4500
229. Matrox G400
230. TNT2
231. Rage128 Pro
232. Voodoo3
233. TNT
234. Rage128
235. Savage 4
236. Matrox G200
237. Riva128
238. Intel i740
239. Rage3D Pro
240. Voodoo Banshee
241. Voodoo2
242. Riva
243. Rage3D
244. VooDoo1




*9800GX2 Quad SLI and HD3870X2 in CrossfireX needs at least 4gb RAM or else will run out of memory. Plus, performance increases are very small or sometimes negative in games brought about by early drivers used during testing or CPU limitation

**Some SLI and crossfire ratings were done by compiling 4 games benchmarked by Guru3D under similar Hardware specs:
Call of Duty 4
Crysis
FEAR
Ghost Recon 2: AW
<--- FPS was totalled and ranked accordingly.








X. Video Card Power Consumption Guide (VCPC)
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Okay, I've been hearing a lot of questions asking about the power consumption of a certain video card. Well of course you can google it! But I have saved you the trouble and googled it myself. I found a guide compiled by two very dedicated members from another tech forum.
Link here: http://archive.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354
Anyway, I have decided to transfer some of the elements of that guide and put only the essentials here as it would make this humongous guide even longer.


Main Factors Behind Power Consumption
1. Core/Memory/Shader Clock = Yes, of course, the higher you go, the more power you video card will require. That simple. The GTX280 and GTX260 use essentially the same core, but with the 280 having higher clocks, it amounts to a higher power consumption
2. Die Size or Fab Process (65nm/55nm/40nm) = The smaller the better. A smaller size means lower power consumption, lower heat dissipation, and allows for higher clock speeds. Look at the 9800GTX (65nm) and the 9800GTX+ (55nm) despite the GTX+ having higher core and shader clocks, it consumes less power, and runs cooler than the GTX. (both have the same cooling systems)
3. Amount and Type of RAM used = The power consumption goes like this from highest power draw to the lowest: gDDR2 > gDDR3 > gDDR4 > gDDR5. This higher you go, the lower the power consumption. However, adding more RAM also results to a higher power draw, albeit not by much, and can be considered insignificant.

NEXT...
Here we have a short list of video cards that includes their Idle, 2D (if available), and 3D max load power consumption. TAKE NOTE: This is the INDIVIDUAL power draw of the Video CARD, and NOT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. So enjoy Smile

Again, I got this from the link posted above. I didn't make this...
LEGEND:
¦) ---> Idle Power load
¦] ---> 2D Load
}| ---> 3D 100% Load


ATI Multicard
----------------------------

HD4870X2 CF__________###################¦)###########################################}| 158W-510W
HD4870X2 + HD4870 CF_###################¦)############################### 159W-408W (HD4870 512MB)
HD4870 CF____________###############¦)###############}|' 128W-255W
HD4870 + HD4850 CF __###########¦)###############}' 96W-221W
HD4850 CF____________#########¦)##############}|' 78W-199W

HD3870 X2 CF_________###########¦)#######################}|' 95W-307W
HD3870X2 + HD3870 CF_##########¦)################' 82W-225W
HD3870 CF____________####¦)###############|' 40W-163W
HD3850 CF____________####¦)############|' 40W-139W


ATI Single Card
----------------------------

HD4870 X2____________##########¦)#####################}| 88W-262W
HD4870 ______________########¦)¦]######| 65W-80W-130W
HD4850 X2____________############################}| 230W
HD4850 OC____________#######¦)########}' 64W-133W § (800/1250)
HD4850 ______________#####¦)#¦]#####}| 41W-61W-110W
HD4670 ______________#¦)######}| 10W-70W
HD4650 ______________#¦)######## 10W-80W
HD4470 ______________#¦)####| 10W-50W
HD4450 ______________#¦)#}| 10W-30W

HD3870 X2____________#######¦)¦]#############|' 58W-66W-171W
HD3870 ______________##¦)¦]######' 19W-25W-81W
HD3850 X3____________###################} 156W
HD3850 X2____________######¦)###########' 54W-145W
HD3850 ______________#¦)¦]####}|' 14W-20W-63W
HD3690 ______________##¦)###}' 21W-51W
HD3650 ______________#¦)###| 12W-42W (512MB)
HD3650 ______________##¦)###}' 19W-53W (256MB)
HD3470 ______________#### 32W
HD3450 ______________##¦)#} 18W-36W

HD2900 XTX___________#################################}| 270W (OEM 12.4")
HD2900 XTX___________############################## 240W (Retail 9.5")
HD2900 XT____________#######¦)##########}| 65W-150W (1GB GDDR4)
HD2900 XT____________########¦)¦]##########' 72W-76W-161W (512MB GDDR3)
HD2900 Pro___________########¦)¦]######}' 71W-76W-133W
HD2900 XL____________######################} 180W
HD2600 XT____________##¦)¦]##' 21W-28W-49W
HD2600 Pro___________#¦)¦]}|' 16W-22W-31W
HD2400 XT____________¦)¦]|' 7W-15W-19W
HD2400 Pro___________¦)}|' 9W-15W
HD2400 LE ___________###' <25W

X1950 XTX____________####¦)#¦]########}' 33W-54W-125W
X1900 XTX____________###¦)##¦]########' 29W-50W-121W
X1950 XT_____________############ 96W
X1900 XT_____________###¦)#¦]#######}' 28W-46W-109W
X1900 XT_____________###¦)########} 26W-100W (R580+ 256MB model)
X1950 Pro____________##¦)#¦]###| 24W-36W-66W
X1950 GT ____________###¦)###' 30W-57W
X1900 GT ____________###¦)#¦]###|' 25W-45W-75W
X1800 XT OC _________###¦)#¦]######## 26W-48W-110W (XT OC version, 700/1600)
X1800 XT_____________###¦)##¦]#####}|' 30W-52W-103W
X1800 XL_____________###¦)#¦]#' 27W-42W-57W
X1800 GTO___________###¦)¦]# 25W-35W-48W
X1650 XT_____________##¦)##¦]}|' 23W-42W-55W
X1650 Pro____________#¦)###} 23W-44W
X1600 XT_____________##¦)#¦]| 24W-38W-42W
X1600 Pro____________##¦)¦]#' 24W-30W-41W
X1550 _______________###|' 27W
X1300 XT_____________##}| 22W
X1300 Pro____________##¦)}|' 18W-26W-31W
X1050 _______________### 24W

X850 XT PE___________########|' 67W
X850 XT______________###¦)#¦]##}' 27W-45W-69W
X800 XT PE___________##¦)####}|' 18W-63W
X800 XT ______________######}| 54W
X800 Pro _____________#¦)#### 15W-48W
X800 XL ______________##¦)#¦]#' 18W-36W-49W
X800 GTO ____________##¦)¦]##' 19W-31W-49W
X800 GT______________##¦)¦]# 21W-31W-40W
X800_________________###}| 30W
X700 XT______________#¦)##}| 12W-38W
X700 PRO ____________#¦)#¦]' 16W-30W-33W
X700_________________#¦)###} 15W-44W
X600 XT______________#¦)#' 11W-25W
X600 Pro_____________#¦)##} 12W-36W
X300_________________¦)###} 8W-36W
X300 SE______________¦)##}| 7W-30W

9800 XT______________####¦)##} 38W-60W
9800 Pro_____________###¦)#}|' 31W-47W
9700/9800____________####| 34W
9600 XT______________#¦)}| 9W-22W
9600 Pro_____________#¦)| 9W-18W
9500/9600____________#} 12W
9000-9200____________###} 28W

7x00-8500____________##}|' 23W
<=32MB AGP/PCI _____#}|' <15w

nVidia Multicard
----------------------------

GTX280 3x SLI ________################################################################# 520W
GTX280 SLI___________##########¦)################################' 88W-345W
GTX260 3x SLI ________################¦)###############################}' 130W-389W
GTX260 SLI___________###########¦)###################### 95W-272W

9800 GX2 SLI_________#################¦)######################}' 144W-325W ("Quad SLI")
9800 GTX 3x SLI ______#################¦)###########|' 142W-234W
9800 GTX+ SLI________############¦)#############}|' 102W-215W
9800 GTX SLI_________###########¦)################} 92W-228W
9600 GT SLI__________#########¦)#######' 79W-137W (2x 512MB)

8800 Ultra 3x SLI______##############################¦)############################### 247W-496W
8800 Ultra SLI ________####################¦)##################' 168W-313W
8800 GTX SLI_________#################¦)##########}|' 142W-231W
8800 GTS SLI_________############¦)##############' 103W-217W (2x 512MB)
8800 GT SLI__________#########¦)#########}' 79W-157W (2x 512MB)
8800 GTS SLI_________#############¦)########' 112W-177W (2x 640MB)
8800 GTS SLI_________#####################' 169W (2x 320MB)
8600 GTS SLI_________#########}|' 79W

7950 GX2 SLI_________###########¦)#########' 89W-169W ! ("Quad SLI")
7950 GT SLI__________######¦)#######}' 49W-117W
7900 GX2 SLI_________#########################}' 205W ("Quad SLI")
7900 GTX SLI_________#######¦)############# 62W-168W
7900 GT SLI__________#####¦)######| 41W-98W
7900 GS SLI__________#####¦)######}' 41W-101W
7800 GTX 512 SLI _____#######¦)################' 64W-193W
7800 GTX SLI_________######¦)#############' 56W-161W
7800 GT SLI__________####¦)########## 35W-120W
7600 GT SLI__________##¦)#####}' 24W-69W
7600 GS SLI__________#####}|' 47W
7300 GS SLI__________###}' 29W

6800 Ultra SLI_________###############| 122W
6800 GT SLI __________###########}| 94W
6800 GS SLI__________####¦)#########|' 39W-115W
6600 GT SLI __________####¦)######| 33W-90W


nVidia Single Cards
---------------------------------

GTX 280______________######¦)##¦]############| 50W-79W-178W
GTX 260______________#####¦)##¦]######## 44W-65W-136W

9800 GX2_____________########¦)#¦]##########}| 69W-83W-182W
9800 GTX+____________######¦)#######}' 52W-117W
9800 GTX OC__________########¦)#¦]###########}|' 68W-82W-183W (875/1100 1.528v)
9800 GTX_____________#####¦)¦]######} 45W-54W-108W
9800 GT______________####¦)#########} 35W-116W
9600 GT______________###¦)¦]##}' 27W-34W-61W (512MB)
9600 GT______________###¦)###|' 26W-59W (256MB)
9600 GSO ____________#####}| 46W
9500 GT______________##¦)#|' 19W-35W (256MB)

8800 Ultra____________##########¦)#########' 85W-161W
8800 GTX ____________########¦)#¦]#####} 70W-83W-132W (768MB)
8800 GTS ____________####¦)##¦]####|' 38W-58W-99W (512MB G92)
8800 GT OC __________####¦)¦]####}' 36W-41-86W (512MB 700/1025)
8800 GT _____________####¦)####}| 35W-39W-78W (512MB)
8800 GT _____________###¦)##| 31W-50W (256MB)
8800 GTS OC_________#######¦)#¦]####}' 60W-78W-117W (640MB 576/1350)
8800 GTS ____________######¦)#¦]####| 58W-71W-106W (640MB)
8800 GTS ____________######¦)#¦]###}|' 56W-69W-103W (320MB)
8800 GS _____________###¦)###|' 27W-59W
8600 GTS ____________##¦)¦]#}|' 21W-31W-47W
8600 GT _____________###¦)##} 26W-52W
8500 GT _____________#¦)¦]|' 14W-19W-27W
8400 GS _____________###}| 30W
8300 GS _____________##| 18W

7950 GX2 ____________######¦)######}| 50W -110W
7900 GX2 ____________#############}' 109W
7900 GTX ____________###¦)##¦]###} 31W-52W-84W
7900 GTO ____________###¦)#######} 27W-92W
7950 GT _____________###¦)¦]##}' 26W-37W-61W
7900 GT _____________##¦)¦]## 23W-32W-48W
7900 GS _____________##¦)¦]#}' 19W-28W-45W
7800 GTX 512_________###¦)##¦]####}' 29W-53W-95W
7800 GTX ____________###¦)##¦]###' 29W-52W-81W
7800 GT _____________##¦)#¦]##' 20W-39W-57W
7800 GS _____________#####} 44W
7600 GT _____________#¦)¦]#} 15W-23W-36W
7600 GS _____________#¦)¦]|' 14W-20W-27W (underclocked GT)
7300 GT _____________#¦)#}' 13W-29W &
7300 GS _____________#¦) 9W-10W-16W
7300 LE______________#| 10W

6800 Ultra____________###¦)##### 29W-72W
6800 GT _____________##¦)####' 23W-55W
6800 GS_____________##¦)##¦]}|' 20W-41W-55W
6800 ________________#¦)#¦]}|' 15W-31W-39W
6600 GT _____________##¦)#¦]# 19W-39W-48W
6600 ________________#¦)¦]|' 12W-24W-27W (GDDR2 model)
6200 ________________#¦)#| 11W-26W

FX 5950 Ultra_________##¦)######' 20W-73W
FX 5900 Ultra_________###¦)###|' 27W-59W
FX 5900 XT___________##¦)#|' 24W-35W !
FX 5800 _____________#####} 44W
FX 5700 Ultra_________##¦)##}| 24W-46W
FX 5700 _____________#¦)# 10W-24W
FX 5600 _____________####}' 37W
FX 5200 _____________###|' 27W

GF4 Ti ______________##### 40W
GF4 MX _____________##}| 22W
GF3 Ti ______________####|' 35W
<=32MB AGP/PCI_____#}|' <15w

The Full Version of this list (with Quadro FX, S3, Intel Larrabee, FireGL) was compiled into a fully colored graph by mark84 and kike1974. Kudos to them ^_^ available here:
http://mark.zoomcities.com/images/gfx/GFXpowerchartby3d.png



XI. NEW SECTION!!! ---->Power Supply Guide... Choosing the Right PSU (PSGC)
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A NOTE ON GENERIC PSU'S: ONE WORD: DON'T!!! If you can afford to spend on a graphics card, then I'd bet you can also afford to purchase a decent, branded PSU. If your budget is for a video card only, I'd really recommend that you use that to purchase a branded PSU first to replace your generic one before buying a new video card. This is my trusted website for PSU reviews:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/

Why do I hate generic PSU's so much?
1. Low Efficiency (~50-60%) If you have low efficiency, this equates to a higher electric bill as the PSU needs to draw more power from your power outlet in order to produce the needed voltages. A good PSU should have at least 80% efficiency while the best offer 85-88%
2. Generics cut costs and leave your computer components vulnerable when the PSU goes boom. They do not have a Short Circuit/Over Current Protection. Imagine your 40k rig destroyed just because you decided to save a couple of thousand bucks and use that generic that came with your casing, or purchase a cheap PSU that you think is branded (*ehem dynamo ehem*) when in fact it's not.
3. Did your generic say it had 600W? No doubt it will produce 600W..the question is: AT WHAT TEMPERATURE? Most generic PSU's are rated at cold room temperature of 15-20C. At that temp, it will produce 600W! But this is unrealistic as temperatures inside your case averages around 35-40C. As temperature goes up, output goes down. So in reality, your generic 600W only produces 250-300W true rated output.

Wanna know more? Read these reviews on generic PSU's. YOU'LL BE HORRIFIED!!!
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/534
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=71


NOW...WHAT PSU's should I buy?
Source: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088


WHICH ONES TO BUY ??

Tier 1 can handle 4Ghz Conroe or 3Ghz AMD along with Oced Quad Crossfire/SLI With Ease.
Tier Z offers quality and power unequalled in its wattage range and is second only to other Zippy units.
Tier 2 offers almost as much power and stability as Tier 1 at Comparable Wattage levels with lower price/better availability.
Tier T offers the high quality components of Tier 2 with slightly less Rail stability due to Topower internals.
Tier 3 is ONLY Recommended if Price difference is present between Tier 3 and Tier 2 or due to availability issues with Tier 1/2 PSUs.
Tier 4 is recommended for stock or low power systems if Tier 3's are more expensive or are not available.
Tier 5 are NOT RECOMMENDED, but some brands have high/medium quality components in Tiers 2 through 4.

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Tier 1 Brands - The Most Powerful And Stable Components On The Market
Enermax Galaxy
PCP&C TurboCool
PCP&C Silencer >610
Zippy/Emacs SSL
Zippy/Emacs GSM
Zippy/Emacs PSL
Silverstone ZF (Etasis 85/75/56)
Seventeam ST >600 (SSI, V2.91)

Tier Z - Less Powerful Than Tier 1 Zippy Units...but they're still Zippys
Zippy/Emacs HG2
Zippy/Emacs HP2

Tier 2 Brands - Top Quality components With Top Notch Stability - For Those With Price/Availability Issues With Tier 1
Antec Neo HE
Akasa PowerGreen 80+
CoolMax CTG-750W/850W/1KW
Cooltek CT
Corsair HX
Enermax Liberty
Enhance ENP-GH
Fortron (FSP) GLN
iStarUSA PD2
iStarUSA PD3
OCZ GameXStream
OCZ EvoStream
PCP&C Silencer <610
Seasonic S12
Seasonic M12
Seasonic Energy Plus
SevenTeam ST <600
Silverstone EF
Supermicro/AbleCom
Thermaltake Toughpower >600W
Xclio GreatPower
Zalman ZM

Tier T - High Quality PSUs Made With Topower Internals - Less Rail Stability Compared To Tier 2 But Still Better than Tier 3
Mushkin Enhanced
Tagan U95
Tagan U25
Tagan U15
Tagan U22
OCZ PowerStream

Tier 3 Brands - High Quality and Stability, Second Only To Tier 2 Brands
Acbel Polycom
AMS Mercury
Akasa PaxPower
Akasa PowerPlus (>500W Models)
Antec Phantom
Antec TruePower III
Antec True Power II
Antec True Control II
Antec Neopower 480W (Old Model)
Antec Smart Power 2.0
Athena Power Space Shuttle Series
Channel Well
Enermax Maximum Plus
Enermax Noistaker II
Enermax Noisetaker
Enermax Whisper II
Enermax CoolerGiant
Enhance ENS-G
Fortron (FSP) GLC
Fortron (FSP) THN
Fortron AX
Fortron HLN
Fortron PFN/PN/PA
Seasonic Super Versatile
Silverstone F
Sparkle FSP
Spire Rocketeer V/VI
Sunbeam Nuuo
Thermaltake Purepower
Thermaltake Toughpower <600W

Tier 4 - Not Recommend With Tier 3 In same Price/Wattage Range
Aerocool
Asus Atlas
BFG
Coolermaster Real Power
Coolermaster iGreen
Delta
Enlight
E-Power
Futurepower
Hiper
HIPRO
Lite-On
Masscool
MGE XG
Mushkin HP
NorthQ 4775-500S/BU
OCZ Modstream
Scythe Kamariki
Sintek
Thermaltake TR2
TTGI/Superflower
Ultra Xfinity/X2

Tier 5 - Other than the units listed above for any of these brands, NOT RECOMMENDED
A-TOP Technology
APEX (SUPERCASE/ALLIED)
Aspire(Turbo Case)
ATADC
Athena Power
ATRIX
Broadway Com Corp
Cooler Master
Coolmax
Deer
Diablotek
Dynapower USA
EagleTech
FOXCONN
I-Star Computer Co. Ltd
In Win
JPAC COMPUTER
Just PC
Kingwin Inc.
Linkworld Electronics
Logisys Computer
MGE
MSI
NMEDIAPC
Norwood Micro/ CompUSA
NorthQ
NZXT
Powmax
Q-Tec
Raidmax
Rosewill
SFC
Shuttle
Skyhawk
Spire Coolers
Star Micro
STARTECH
TOPOWER TOP
Ultra X-Connect

Wintech
XClio
XION
YoungYear
Zebronics

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Phase III compensates for overcrowded Tier 1, while clumping together previously Tier 2 and 3 PSUs if only because no definite way to categorize then as good enough for Tier 2 or bad enough for Tier 3.

Jonnyguru's PSU Recommendations for High End Gaming PC's

This tier breakdown cannot be compared to the other lists as these are high end PSUs only. All of them are good, this is more of an ordering of a "best of the best" type.

Tier 1:

[b]PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool product line

* Built like a server PSU, but with the home user also in mind
* Zero ripple
* Louder than a leaf blower
* 1kW is 8800GTX SLI certified
* 1kW is Crossfire X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* 850W is 7800 and 7900GTX SLI certified
* 5 year warranty

Etasis Gaming Power product line

* Server grade
* Fairly quiet for PSU's with 80MM fans
* ET-750 and ET-850 are both 8800GTX SLI certified
* 3 year warranty

Silverstone Zeus and Nightjar product line

* Based on Etasis units, a company known for server grade PSU's
* Not very loud, even when outfitted with 80MM fans.
* Often sleeved cables, etc. Geared more towards the enthusiast than other server grade PSU's.
* ST85ZF is Crossfire X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* ST75ZF is 8800GTX SLI certified
* ST56ZF is 7800 and 7900GTX SLI certified
* 3 year warranty

Zippy GSM and PSL product line

* Typically server power supplies and can be loud
* PSL model has 40MM fan which has a high pitched sound when running
* There
is a "gaming" product line that offers all of the necessary connectors
for almost any high end gaming rig, a nicer finish and has a much
quieter fan than the server models.
* X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* PSL-6850P(G1) is 8800GTX SLI certified
* 3 year warranty


Tier 2:

Enermax Galaxy product line

* Lots of power
* Semi-Modular
* Very quiet
* Very efficient
* X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* 8800GTX SLI certified
* 3 year warranty

Enermax Infiniti product line

* Semi-Modular
* Very quiet
* Very efficient
* Crossfire X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* 8800GTX SLI certified
* 80 Plus certified
* 3 year warranty

Andyson's server line (recognized by dual 80MM fans) and high-efficiency line (recognized by single 130MM fan.)

* Extremely affordable
* Solid performance and quality components
* High efficiency models are 84% typical and very quiet
* Not commonly found in U.S. or E.U.
* End user warranty unknown

Hiper Type-M 670 and 730W and Type-R 730W

* Based on server grade Andyson AD-800 units
* 3 year warranty

Ultra X-Finity and X-Pro 800W

* Based on server grade Andyson AD-800 units
* 3 year warranty/Lifetime with product registration

Ultra X3 800W & 1000W

* Based on Andyson AD-800
* Quiet and efficient
* Cooled w/ 135MM fan
* 3 year warranty/Lifetime with product registration

Silverstone Olympia OP1000

* Uses SevenTeam 1kW server platform
* Very stable power
* 80A continuous power on a single 12V rail
* Single, rear mounted 80MM fan can be loud
* 8800GTX SLI certified
* 3 year warranty

Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W & 1200W product line

* Built by CWT, but without all of the Fuhjyyu capacitors
* Capable of outputing nearly 100% of it's capability on the +12V rail
* Very efficient
* Cooled w/ 140MM fan
* Modular
* 5 year warranty


Tier 3:

Silverstone Olympia OP650, OP750 & OP850 and Decathalon DA650, DA750 & DA850

* Design by Impervio Electronics Co.
* Built in Taiwan
* Quiet and efficient

Antec True Power Quattro product lines

* Built by Enhance
* Very good voltage regulation
* Very efficient at loads > 20%
* Very quiet, despite the 80MM fan solution
* Modular
* Fully sleeved cables
* HD2900 XT Crossfire certified
* 3 year warranty

Cooler Master Real Power Pro 1000W

* Built by Enhance
* Very good voltage regulation
* Very efficient
* Very quiet
* Fully sleeved cables
* 8800 Ultra SLI certified
* 5 year warranty

Seasonic S12 and M12 product lines

* Very good voltage regulation
* Very efficient
* Very quiet
* M12 series is modular
* X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* S12 650W is 7950 GX2 Quad SLI certified
* 3 year warranty

Corsair product line

* Based on same platform and component quality as Seasonic S/M12
* Very efficient
* Very quiet
* Modular
* HX620W is 7800 and 7900GTX SLI certified
* 5 year warranty

PC Power and Cooling Silencer product line

* Based on same platform and component quality as Seasonic S/M12
* 750W is 7950 GX2 Quad SLI certified
* 3 year warranty

Coolmax Greenpower product line

* Based on ATNG server platform
* A little on the loud side
* X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* 3 year warranty

SevenTeam SSI EPS 12V 2.91 Series and "Fanless" product lines

* Strong regulation
* Efficient and quiet, despite being based on a server platform
* Good price, but rarely available in the U.S.
* 2 year warranty

MGE/XG Duro and Magnum

* Based on SevenTeam's higher end units
* Lifetime Warranty




Tier 4:

Enhance products up to 750W

* Efficient and quiet
* Very affordable
* Often does not come with sleeved cables
* Only 1 year warranty

Silverstone Element product line and Strider ST60F and ST75F product

* Based on Enhance's higher end products
* 3 year warranty on PSU's > 500W. All others are only 1 year warranty

Xclio Stablepower product line

* Based on Enhance's ENP 850W and 1000W products
* Cooled by quieter 140MM fan (as opposed to pair of 80's)
* 2 year warranty

Antec Trio/NeoHE/EarthWatts product line

* Built by Seasonic, but not the same build quality as above Seasonics
* NeoHE is modular
* Trio 650W is 7950 GX2 Quad SLI certified
* NeoHE 550W is X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* 5 year warranty

FSP Epsilon product line

* Compact size
* Fairly efficient and quiet
* Notable ripple issue
* Inexpensive
* X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified
* 700W is 7950 GX2 Quad SLI certified

OCZ GameXstrem product line

* Based on FSP Epsilon mentioned above
* 3 year warranty

AOpen AO700-ALN

* Based on FSP Epsilon mentioned above
* Only 1 year warranty

Thermaltake Toughpower < 1000W product line

* Built by CWT, but without all of the Fuhjyyu capacitors
* 550W is X1800/X850/X800 Crossfire certified
* 600W, 700W and 750W are X1900/X1950 Crossfire certified and 7950 GX2 Quad SLI certified
* 750W is modular
* 5 year warranty

Xclio GreatPower product line

* Supposedly same construction as Toughpower (??? need confirmation)
* 65

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bro. thank's for the info...its a big help for us....
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i would like to hear feedback from ati 4770....

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infestedkeyboard posted on August 4, 2009 03:26PM
i would like to hear feedback from ati 4770....


HD4770 can be compared to a 9800gt 'coz of the price range, it performs a bit better than the 9800gt though & consumes less power, it is suppose to produce less heat 'coz of the newer technology & having fast DDR5 vRAM is always on the plus side.

Definitely a good buy. Bang for the buck, if you are leaning towards a midrange GPU.

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if you got additional infos,you can post it here mga bro's..:)


March 2009 UPDATED VIDEO CARD RANKINGS from overclock.net poster Astroz & slowend with few personal modifications and SLI/CrossFire Rankings by myself


1. GTX 295 1792mb Quad SLI
2. GTX 285 1gb 3-WAY SLI
3. GTX 280 1gb 3-WAY SLI
4. HD4870 X2 Quad CrossFire
5. 9800GX2 Quad SLI*
6. GTS 250 1gb 3-Way SLI
7. 9800GTX+ 3 Way SLI
8. 8800ULTRA 3 Way SLI
9. 9800GTX 3 Way SLI
10. GTX 285 1gb SLI
11. GTX 280 1gb SLI
12. GTX 295 1792mb
13. GTX 260 Core216 SLI (65/55nm)
14. HD4870 1gb CrossFire
15. GTX 260 896mb SLI
16. HD4870 X2 2gb
17. HD4870 CrossFireX
18. HD4870 + HD4850 Hybrid CrossFireX
19. GTS 250 1gb SLI
20. HD4850X2 2gb
21. HD4850X2 1gb
22. 8800Ultra 768mb SLI
23. 9800GTX+ 512mb SLI
24. 8800GTX (G80) SLI
25. GTX 285 1gb
26. GTX 280 1gb
27. HD4850 512mb CrossFireX
28. 9800GTX 512mb SLI
29. 9800GX2 1gb
30. HD3870X2 Quad CrossFireX*
31. HD3870X2 + HD3870 CrossFireX
32. 8800GTS (G92 512mb) SLI
33. 8800GT (G92 512mb) SLI
34. 9600GT OC SLI
35. 9600GT SLI
36. GTX 260 Core216 (65/55nm)
37. HD4870 1gb gDDR5
38. GTX 260 896mb
39. HD3870 512 gDDR4 CrossFire
40. HD4870
41. HD3870X2
42. 8800Ultra
43. 9800GTX+
44. HD4850
45. 8800GTX 768mb
46. 9800GTX 512mb
47. 8800GTS 512MB (G92 Revision)
48. HD4830 512
49. 8800GT 512MB/ 9800GT 512mb (same card)
50. HD2900XT CrossFire
51. 7900GTX SLI
52. HD3870 512MB gDDR4
53. 9600GT 1gb
54. 9600GT 512
55. HD3850 256mb CrossFire
56. 9600GSO/8800GS 768mb OC
57. HD4670 512
58. HD3870 512MB gDDR3
59. HD2900XT 1GB
60. HD2900Pro 1GB
61. HD2900XT 512MB
62. HD2900Pro 512MB
63. X1900 XT CrossFire
64. X1950 XTX CrossFire
65. 7800GTX 512mb SLI
66. 7950GX2 1gb Quad SLI
67. X1900 XTX CrossFire
68. 7950GT 512mb SLI
69. 7900GT 256mb SLI
70. 8600GTS 256mb SLI
71. 8800GTS 640MB
72. HD3850 512MB
73. 8800GT 256MB
74. 8800GTS 320MB
75. 7950GX2
76. 8800GS/9600GSO 384mb
77. HD 3850 256MB
78. HD2900GT
79. 8600GT 256mb gDDR3 SLI
80. X1950XTX
81. X1900XTX
82. X1950XT
83. X1900XT 512MB
84. 7900GTX
85. X1900XT 256MB
86. 7900GTO
87. 7800GTX 512MB
88. 7950GT
89. X1650 XT Crossfire
90. X1950Pro 512MB
91. X1950Pro 256MB
92. 7600GT SLI
93. 7900GT 512MB
94. 8600GTS
95. 9500GT 256 gDDR3
96. X1800XT 512MB
97. 7900GT 256MB
98. X1800XT 256MB
99. X1900GT
100. X1950GT
101. 8600GT 512MB
102. 8600GT 256MB
103. X1900GT Rev2
104. 7800GTX 256MB
105. 7900GS
106. 7800GT
107. 6800GT SLI
108. HD2600 Pro Crossfire
109. 7600GS SLI
110. X1800XL
111. 7800GS
112. X1800GTO
113. HD2600XT
114. HD3650
115. X1650XT
116. X850XTPE
117. 7600GT
118. X850XT
119. 7600GTS
120. HD2600Pro
121. X800XT/PE
122. 6800Ultra/EE
123. 6800GT
124. 6800GS
125. X800XL
126. X850Pro
127. X800pro
128. X800GTO/GTO2
129. 9400GT
130. 8500GT
131. Chrome 440GTX
132. Chrome 430
133. X1650Pro
134. X1600XT
135. 7600GS
136. HD2400XT
137. X800
138. 6800
139. X800GT
140. 7300GT
141. X1300XT
142. X1600Pro
143. HD3450
144. 8400GS
145. 6800XT/LE
146. 6600GT
147. HD2400Pro
148. X700Pro
149. 9800XT
150. 5950Ultra
151. 9800Pro
152. 5900Ultra
153. 9700Pro
154. 5800Ultra
155. 9800
156. 9800SE 256bit
157. S3 Chrome S27
158. X700
159. 9700
160. 5900
161. 5800
162. X1300Pro
163. 6600
164. 5900XT
165. X600XT
166. TI4800
167. TI4600
168. 9600XT
169. TI4800SE
170. X1550
171. X1300
172. 5700Ultra
173. 9500Pro
174. 9800SE 128bit
175. X600
176. 9600Pro
177. TI4400
178. 9500
179. 6600LE
180. X1300SE
181. 5700
182. 7300GS
183. 9600
184. 6200
185. 6200LE
186. X550
187. TI4200
188. 5600
189. 5600XT
190. 9550
191. 9600SE
192. 7300LE
193. 5500
194. X1050
195. X300
196. 7300SE
197. 7100GS
198. 9550SE
199. 9200Pro
200. 9000Pro
201. Matrox Parhelia
202. 8500Pro
203. GeForce3 TI500
204. 8500
205. 8500LE
206. 5200Ultra
207. 9200
208. 9250
209. GeForce4 MX460
210. 5200
211. 9000
212. 9200SE
213. GeForce3
214. GeForce3 TI200
215. GeForce4 MX 440
216. 7500
217. GeForce2 Ultra
218. GeForce2 GTS
219. GeForce4 MX 420
220. Radeon (later renamed Radeon 7200)
221. GeForce 256 DDR
222. Voodoo5 5500
223. GeForce2 MX 400
224. GeForce 256
225. Savage 2000
226. GeForce2 MX
227. Radeon VE (later renamed Radeon 7000)
228. Voodoo4 4500
229. Matrox G400
230. TNT2
231. Rage128 Pro
232. Voodoo3
233. TNT
234. Rage128
235. Savage 4
236. Matrox G200
237. Riva128
238. Intel i740
239. Rage3D Pro
240. Voodoo Banshee
241. Voodoo2
242. Riva
243. Rage3D
244. VooDoo1


GTX 275 SLI performs better than a single GTX 295

Proven on a benchmark conducted by Tomshardware..

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-sli,2298.html

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kaya ako nag pulis hehehe ayaw ko ganyang karaming pag-aaralan anyway bro salamat sa info kasi computer shop ang business ko!!!
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pepoy posted on October 3, 2009 09:30AM
kaya ako nag pulis hehehe ayaw ko ganyang karaming pag-aaralan anyway bro salamat sa info kasi computer shop ang business ko!!!

ahehehehhe!natawa naman ako sa banat ni sir..hehehe!ok sir no prob feel free to visit our threads para sa mga pc problems nyo po..:)
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i'm confused... ok lang po ba bumili ng DDR3 na video card kahit na ang gamit ng system mo ay DDR2? :D
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memory architecture for video card is different for memory module, kaya wala po sila kinalaman.

check this link http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/247180-33-video-card-ddr3-ddr2-motherboard
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ang dami, sa dami nga ng video card ngayun ang nagiging basehan na lang is kung ano yung afford mong presyo.
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