| posted October 3, 2010 11:31PM |
santelmo Ultimate Sulitizen 3038 posts - Registered: Jun 27, 2007
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| ha?! may parusa? sobra naman!
ang akin lang dapat fair. ituro yung way ng simbahan at ituro din yung RH. then let the person decide kung alin ang pipiliin niya sa dalawa. ^_^
dapat malinaw at patas ang pag explain. para walang bias. patas ang laban....^_^ |
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| posted October 3, 2010 11:34PM |
wggozar Supreme Sulitizen 934 posts - Registered: Jul 8, 2010
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| ha?! may parusa? sobra naman!
ang akin lang dapat fair. ituro yung way ng simbahan at ituro din yung RH. then let the person decide kung alin ang pipiliin niya sa dalawa. ^_^
dapat malinaw at patas ang pag explain. para walang bias. patas ang laban....^_^ Lahat ng iyan ay ginagawa na. Kaya nga may Population Commission (yun pa ba ang pangalan ng govt agency?) Ang pinagkaibahan ng bagong RH Bill ay sapilitang pagtuturo at pagpapataw ng parusa. |
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| posted October 3, 2010 11:50PM |
santelmo Ultimate Sulitizen 3038 posts - Registered: Jun 27, 2007
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| wag naman sapilitan. kung ayaw ko makinig or matuto eh dapat huwag pilitin.
baka susunod mag ala China na tayo niyan. 1 child policy... |
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| posted October 3, 2010 11:54PM |
wggozar Supreme Sulitizen 934 posts - Registered: Jul 8, 2010
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| wag naman sapilitan. kung ayaw ko makinig or matuto eh dapat huwag pilitin.
baka susunod mag ala China na tayo niyan. 1 child policy... Yung pagtutuo lang ang sapilitan. |
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| posted October 4, 2010 12:06AM |
santelmo Ultimate Sulitizen 3038 posts - Registered: Jun 27, 2007
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| naku, eh papaano kung yung parents nung bata ay against sa RH. tapos ayaw din nila matuto yung mga anak nila--puwede kaya hindi makinig sa class yung estudyante?
----------------- sino-sino ba ang mga nasasakop ng "private sector employees and private health practitioners" doctors, nurses, midwife? kawawa naman sila pag nagkataon. gustuhin man nila or ayaw ay no choice sila kundi ang sumunod... View message logs santelmo: updated on October 4, 2010 12:15AM |
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| posted October 4, 2010 12:19AM |
wggozar Supreme Sulitizen 934 posts - Registered: Jul 8, 2010
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| naku, eh papaano kung yung parents nung bata ay against sa RH. tapos ayaw din nila matuto yung mga anak nila--puwede kaya hindi makinig sa class yung estudyante?
----------------- sino-sino ba ang mga nasasakop ng "private sector employees and private health practitioners" doctors, nurses, midwife? kawawa naman sila pag nagkataon. gustuhin man nila or ayaw ay no choice sila kundi ang sumunod... Yun mismo ang problema. Maganda yung pagkasulat ni de Ocampo dahil hindi siya pari, dating Finance Secretary, at actually pro-family planning siya pero anti-RH Bill lang siya. |
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| posted October 4, 2010 12:27AM |
sbmtravel Legendary Sulitizen 5321 posts - Registered: Feb 16, 2010
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| makatarungan din po siguro.. |
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| posted October 4, 2010 12:38AM |
wggozar Supreme Sulitizen 934 posts - Registered: Jul 8, 2010
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| Similar to Roberto de Ocampo's article is this opinion by Herminio "Minyong"Ordonez's The Next Killing Field. http://minyongordonez.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/the-next-killing-field/ Per Ordonez: "The RH Bill is an intellectual, physiological and cultural aberration, sugar-coated with hypocritical do-gooding, the classic ploy of the Marxist form of godless socialism. The scheme: female fertility (not a disease) will be medically and technically destroyed (gagawing baug) with the assistance of government health employees. Women will be given lessons on the use of various abortifacients, installation of gadgetry foreign to human physiology and organ for child bearing (gadgets na pampabaug ng mga Filipina, many of which have proven dangerous side effects). Women are then deemed equipped with useful knowledge on unwanted pregnancy. (In the Filipino culture an unwanted child is not the norm. Loving one’s child is.)" |
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| posted October 9, 2010 10:20AM |
ghandayan Sulitizen-to-be 4 posts - Registered: Jul 12, 2010
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| Masuging pinagdedebatahen ng mga tao ang RH Bill. Ito ba ay makatarungan? Hindi. People already have a choice. We don't need a new law to promote contraceptive family planning methods. Worse, ang RH Bill ay sapilitan (at may bantang parusahan kung hindi gagawin) ang mga tao ay magturo ng paggamit ng contraceptive. According to former Finance Secretary Roberto de Ocampo: “…the present draft bill contains punitive provisions that are tantamount to an affront to civil liberties and smack of religious persecution. Just read the section mandating private sector employees and private health practitioners to actively promote artificial birth control methods and distribute devices whether or not their conscience and religious convictions agree with the practice. Combine that with the section imposing penalties of imprisonment or fines or both if they don’t follow or are deemed guilty of “perceived violations” and tell me that the bill does not encroach on basic civil rights. Tell me that the bill does not unfairly force a person into a moral dilemma, a State-induced struggle of conscience. This is not education, it’s coercion. THIS IS NOT CHOICE, IT’S THREAT.” De Ocampo concludes: "Yes, I am against having a bill. But don’t get me wrong, I am not against family planning. Neither is the Church. I may not even entirely agree with the Church’s position on family planning, but I would take offense at any attempt to caricature my Church’s stand for the purpose of foisting an uncalled for invasion of my private space." Basahin ang kabuuan ng artikulo ni de Ocampo: http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20091127-238839/Kill-Bill Family Planning is all about people church could not control it, even the government could not control it, it is being the individuals who deals with it. We have democracy in our country so its up for us what we like or what we don't like. It is not a choice to do that or do this sometimes Catholic Church is sounds like crazy because they like to control everything including our life. |
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| posted October 9, 2010 10:32AM |
leehannah Elite Sulitizen 576 posts | ok lang ang RH bill but ibang usapan kung may parusa na.dapat magkaroon ng malawakang kampanya tungkol d2 para ma-educate yung mga tao lalo na sa depressed areas then yung mga tao pa rin ang dpat magdecide kun ano ang pipiliin nya |
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| posted October 9, 2010 11:06AM |
wggozar Supreme Sulitizen 934 posts - Registered: Jul 8, 2010
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| RH Bill hindi lang pagtuturo ng RH, kundi pagpilit sa mga tao na magturo at gumamit, kahit hindi ayon sa paniniwala at konsyensya mo. May kaukulang parusa pag hindi sumunod. Federico Pascual, editor of Phil Star, says it clearly. http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=618683&publicationSubCategoryId=64 |
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| posted October 13, 2010 10:29AM |
ghandayan Sulitizen-to-be 4 posts - Registered: Jul 12, 2010
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| nasa tao lang yan dapat kung ano sa loob ng tao |
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| posted October 13, 2010 10:34AM |
amventures Ultimate Sulitizen 2270 posts - Registered: Feb 26, 2009
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| I'm not against this but I believe that it should be done voluntarily. |
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| posted October 13, 2010 10:36AM |
darkzidez Majestic Sulitizen 12763 posts | makatarungan po yan para sa akin |
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| posted October 13, 2010 10:48AM |
wggozar Supreme Sulitizen 934 posts - Registered: Jul 8, 2010
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| Eto ang kabuuang texto ng 2008 RH Bill. http://jlp-law.com/blog/full-text-of-house-bill-no-5043-reproductive-health-and-population-development-act-of-2008/ Sec 17: Why should I as an employer be forced to educate empolyees about and distribute to them contraceptives? Why should I be punished if I refused or teach them otherwise according to my beliefs? Sec 15: " two children as the ideal family size", carefully crafted and worded as purely encouragement, I wonder what this would lead to and how it will be interpreted in the future. Sec 21. Prohibited Acts. a. 1. "Knowingly withhold information or impede the dissemination thereof, and/or intentionally provide incorrect information regarding programs and services on reproductive health including the right to informed choice and access to a full range of legal, medically-safe and effective family planning methods;" Sec 21.a.1. Why should PRIVATE health workers be punished if they do not believe in contraception and hold on to their own beliefs? |
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| posted October 14, 2010 02:38PM |
bethc53 Sulitizen-to-be 12 posts - Registered: Sep 8, 2010
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| Kailangan basahin ng mabuti yung nilalaman ng batas |
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| posted October 14, 2010 02:45PM |
wggozar Supreme Sulitizen 934 posts - Registered: Jul 8, 2010
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| Cafeteria Catholics. Isang opinion na isinulat ni Minyong Ordonez. Magandang pag-isipan. http://minyongordonez.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/cafeteria-catholics/ View message logs wggozar: updated on October 14, 2010 02:48PM wggozar: updated on October 14, 2010 02:47PM |
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| posted October 14, 2010 02:46PM |
calambaronald Supreme Sulitizen 1043 posts - Registered: Oct 10, 2010
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| gusto ko rh bill para mapigilan pagbubuntis ng marami.. ano ba ang kasalanan? ang gumamit ng contraceptives para pigilin ang pagbubuntis o pag-aanak ng marami at di mo mabigyan ng sapat na tugon tulad ng pagkain,edukasyon, bahy, etc? |
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| posted October 14, 2010 02:57PM |
wggozar Supreme Sulitizen 934 posts - Registered: Jul 8, 2010
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| posted October 15, 2010 07:07PM |
bethc53 Sulitizen-to-be 12 posts - Registered: Sep 8, 2010
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| Kailangang pag-aralan at pag-isipan ito ng mabuti. |
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