| posted April 17, 2012 12:28PM |
ardeelo Legendary Sulitizen 3628 posts - Registered: Sep 23, 2010
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| I placed this on the political section because....well this is a political subject more than a religious one. This is a USA based topic but it cannot be denied that whatever outcome regarding the suggestion will not affect the standing of any religious organization worldwide. Now there was a comment that I read regarding the article. It said: Heh. If you complain that the church has too much influence in politics now, wait until you see how much they have after they pay taxes... How We All Pay For the Huge Tax Privileges Granted to Religion -- It's Time to Tax the Church By some estimates, the property tax exemption alone removes $100 billion in property from U.S. tax rolls, and that's only the tip of the iceberg. December 14, 2011 | Would the world be better off without religion? That was the topic of a recent debate in the NYU Intelligence Squared series. One of the audience questions concerned the enormous wealth hoarded by churches, which Christian apologist Dinesh D'Souza defended as follows: I think in the case of the Vatican, the wealth of the Vatican is in priceless treasures, tapestries, the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, art. Now, let's remember... it was popes, the Medici popes and so on, who commissioned those paintings. If it wasn't for Catholicism, we wouldn't have the Sistine Chapel. This was the only line of the night that got boos from the audience. It's easy to see why, since D'Souza was clearly trying hard to overlook the obvious reply: The reason it was the church that commissioned those artworks, and not some other buyer, is because the church had all the money! The great composers, painters and sculptors of the Renaissance worked for whomever could afford to pay them, which is why they often ended up working for the church even when they were notorious freethinkers, as in the case of Giuseppe Verdi. If it wasn't for Catholicism, we might not have the Sistine Chapel, but it's a near-certainty that we'd have different artworks, equally majestic and famous, by the same artists. As Richard Dawkins has suggested, wouldn't you love to hear Beethoven's "Evolution Symphony"? I bring this up because, thanks to the Occupy protests, inequality has come to dominate the American political conversation. Poverty and inequality are at their highest levels since the Great Depression, and there's a growing clamor to raise taxes on the wealthy to provide more opportunity for the rest of us. I think this is an excellent idea, and I'd like to suggest that beside Wall Street bankers and stock traders, there's another group of the mega-wealthy that's often overlooked. Why don't we consider taxing the churches? Not all churches or all ministers are rich, but some of them are very rich indeed. And that's no surprise, because society subsidizes them through a constellation of generous tax breaks that aren't available to any other institution, even non-profits. For example, religious organizations can opt out of Social Security and Medicare withholding. Religious employers are exempt from unemployment taxes, and in some states, from sales tax. Religious ministers -- and no other profession; the law specifies that only "ministers of the gospel" are eligible for this benefit -- can receive part of their salary as a "housing allowance" on which they pay no taxes. (Compounding the absurdity, they can then turn around and double-dip, deducting their mortgage interest from their taxes, even when their mortgage is being paid with tax-free money in the first place.) And, of course, churches are exempt from property tax and from federal income tax. We're all paying for the special privileges afforded to religion. Your taxes and mine have to be higher to make up the revenue shortfall that the government isn't taking in because these huge, wealthy churches don't pay their own way. By some estimates, the property tax exemption alone removes $100 billion in property from U.S. tax rolls. (And it's not just the big churches where that exemption bites: According to authors like Sikivu Hutchinson, the proliferation of small storefront churches is a major contributor to poverty and societal dysfunction in poor communities, since these churches remove valuable commercial property from the tax base and ensure that local governments remain cash-strapped and unable to provide basic services.) Just about the only restriction that churches have to abide by in return is that they can't endorse political candidates -- and even this trivial, easily evaded prohibition is routinely and flagrantly violated by the religious right. SOURCE: http://www.alternet.org/belief/153448/how_we_all_pay_for_the_huge_tax_privileges_granted_to_religion_--_it%27s_time_to_tax_the_church// |
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| posted April 17, 2012 12:52PM |
Shakatak Certified Sulitizen 130 posts - Registered: Dec 14, 2010
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| Yes it's time to tax the Church since they keep on meddling in politics and in our government affairs. |
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| posted April 17, 2012 12:57PM |
ardeelo Legendary Sulitizen 3628 posts - Registered: Sep 23, 2010
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| Yes it's time to tax the Church since they keep on meddling in politics and in our government affairs. Taxing them gives them legitimate right to meddle and influence our politics. BTW, I hope you're not talking about the Catholic Church alone. The INC, JIL and other groups are far more influential despite being a "minority" religion. |
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| posted April 17, 2012 01:40PM |
housewares Elite Sulitizen 685 posts - Registered: Jan 21, 2008
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| i agree with ardeelo 100% tax them! |
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| posted April 17, 2012 09:04PM |
jmxstudiosnet Majestic Sulitizen 6462 posts - Registered: Apr 19, 2010
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| No. I couldn't agree to that. NO!!
It's supposed to be the other way around, that our government should instead give something like a compensation to our Church. Why? It's as simple as do-re-mi (LOL)
These politicians will just approach these ministers or leaders, sends money (or in kind) in return for a favorable vote and violah! Panalo na! |
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| posted April 17, 2012 09:11PM |
hotbenetton Majestic3 Sulitizen 28894 posts | hindi naman mandatory nag bibigay ang lahat ng church members at hindi regular
yung may mga church na TV station i think nagbabayad ng tax
pwede naman yan nagbibigay ba ng ikapo ang TS? |
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| posted April 17, 2012 09:51PM |
peppermint2 Ultimate Sulitizen 2689 posts - Registered: May 22, 2007
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| malamang mag ra-rally o protesta mga pare, madre, ministro o kung sino man ung mga pinuno/kasamahan ng iba't ibang secta ng religion nyan.
parang ang saya siguro.....hehehehehe |
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| posted April 17, 2012 11:26PM |
beevai Majestic Sulitizen 7162 posts - Registered: Sep 28, 2008
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| yes its about time................ |
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| posted April 20, 2012 07:57PM |
ardeelo Legendary Sulitizen 3628 posts - Registered: Sep 23, 2010
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| i agree with ardeelo 100% tax them! I'm not really giving a yes or no at this point yet. Pros: Taxed Church will mean that there will be big revenue from land taxes et al. Cons: Taxed Church will have legitimate reason to influence or lobby with vigor our government and lawmakers. Taxing the religious institutions will bankrupt many of the smaller ones and it might even bankrupt the Catholic Church here in the Philippines because of its vast properties and holdings. Also specially because it doesn't rely on church member donations for its primary source of funds but rather from "taxed" private school earnings and other large business/private individual donations/philantrophy. Those that will survive are those whose members are tied to their church through tithes. |
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| posted April 20, 2012 09:41PM |
jmxstudiosnet Majestic Sulitizen 6462 posts - Registered: Apr 19, 2010
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| Kung religious institutions muna, ok naman yun. Nag-i-increase ang tuition fee yearly kahit non-profit institutions naman 'daw' sila. |
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| posted April 21, 2012 03:47PM |
Shakatak Certified Sulitizen 130 posts - Registered: Dec 14, 2010
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| Yes it's time to tax the Church since they keep on meddling in politics and in our government affairs. Taxing them gives them legitimate right to meddle and influence our politics. BTW, I hope you're not talking about the Catholic Church alone. The INC, JIL and other groups are far more influential despite being a "minority" religion. Yes all religious entity. Di lang Katoliko kundi ma pa INC, Born Again, Protestant, minor or major religious group. At aminin man nila o hindi negosyo naman talaga yan eh... sa dami ng kanilang mga negosyo simula sa eskwelahan, bangko, lending institution at kung anu-ano pang mga business. Message appended on April 21, 2012 03:50PMOn subjecting tithes to tax that will be a big NO. View message logs Shakatak: appended post on April 21, 2012 03:50PM |
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| posted April 21, 2012 05:09PM |
GomerMagtibay Majestic Sulitizen 9987 posts - Registered: Aug 17, 2010
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| Exempted ba sa tax ang mga churches and other religious institutions? |
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| posted April 21, 2012 08:59PM |
Shakatak Certified Sulitizen 130 posts - Registered: Dec 14, 2010
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| Lahat ng simbahan sa Pilipinas ay exemted sa Tax yung kanilang mga business ipinipresinta lang ang accounting book nila sa BIR for record purpose pero walang tax na babayaran. |
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| posted June 13, 2012 10:21AM |
cyberknight1062 Elite Sulitizen 414 posts - Registered: Feb 18, 2011
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| pagnilagyan mo ng tax ang mga churches lalo na sa catholic, nako e di nagalit ang papa sa roma, ang laki ng mababawas na remittance na matatanggap nya galing sa pilipinas. baka biglang magcoup d eta ang mga obispo para patalsikin at palitan ang presidente ng pinas non. |
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| posted June 13, 2012 10:58AM |
ardeelo Legendary Sulitizen 3628 posts - Registered: Sep 23, 2010
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| pagnilagyan mo ng tax ang mga churches lalo na sa catholic, nako e di nagalit ang papa sa roma, ang laki ng mababawas na remittance na matatanggap nya galing sa pilipinas. baka biglang magcoup d eta ang mga obispo para patalsikin at palitan ang presidente ng pinas non. Wow. Deep bro. Very deep understanding bro. |
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| posted June 13, 2012 12:11PM |
jyagravio Majestic Sulitizen 7057 posts | #3 Poster (Last 7 Days) #3 Poster (Last 30 Days) Imposition of tax on churches and other religious groups because of its kaliwa't kanang pakikialam sa Gobyerno? I think that depends on how meddle a Religion. Imo, sa Katoliko ang pagkatao lang nang isang tao ang pinakikialaman nito exceptPolitics. . they never called the Catholics to vote! or ito ang iboto niyo or siya iboto niyo. . . dapat ang habulin ng TAX ay yung nagdedeclare nang announcement na ITO SUSUPORTAHAN NAMIN :-) Separation ng Church sa Gobyerno OK YAN! sa Simbahang katoliko hehee the Church interfere only when we are discussing Personality. . .
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| posted June 13, 2012 06:22PM |
great2find Majestic2 Sulitizen 21688 posts - Registered: Oct 9, 2007
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| Siguro dapat yung mga recognized leaders and "high ranking officials" nila bigyan ng memo na dapat magdeclare ng SALN with waiver sa lahat ng bank deposits nila (including those in foreign countries?) |
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| posted June 13, 2012 06:58PM |
Intelenet Majestic Sulitizen 7187 posts - Registered: Apr 1, 2009
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| i agree, they should contribute. |
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| posted June 13, 2012 09:22PM |
Jayjay728 Legendary Sulitizen 4641 posts - Registered: Mar 22, 2011
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| In my personal opinion, yes, since religion is tag as the third largest business in the world. First is arms sale, second is drugs, garnering half billion dollar a year. |
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| posted June 14, 2012 09:08AM |
ardeelo Legendary Sulitizen 3628 posts - Registered: Sep 23, 2010
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| Most likely contenders for tax being imposed on their churches should be those Churches that tend to butt in to the political life of country "as representing the Church". For example, if a priest of pastor lets his personal opinions be known in public, that's ok. But when they claim that it is the position of the Church and as an entity would like to influence politics in that manner then that would be wrong. Catholic Church - because of their opinionated CBCP and left leaning priests INC - for their insidious use of their members influence who are in public office as well as their "block voting" power. Born Again - for using public spaces to preach and ask for "love donations". Islam - for the noise pollution on non-muslim neighborhoods. |
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| posted June 14, 2012 09:14AM |
absindex Majestic Sulitizen 11122 posts - Registered: Oct 7, 2009
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| #3 Poster (Last 24 Hours) #4 Poster (Last 7 Days) You leave out Mike Velarde and what are the other two. Why not tax them all and no exemption. What is true for one must also be true for the other. View message logs absindex: updated on June 14, 2012 09:15AM |
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