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HELP! Someone used my name to scam another person & that person is to sue me for not delivering!

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posted September 3, 2012 07:06PM
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HELP NEEDED!

Someone used my name (and bank account) to offer a product to another person and now that person is filing a complaint that I did not deliver the item. Paano po yun?

Case details:

Aug. 29 - 12:49pm: 1st text from the "scammer"

Scammer (09476339138) texted me expressing intention to purchase one of the items I'm selling (Media Player). My selling price is Php 3,980, but the seller wants to get it for Php 3,500.

I asked what his name is and he mentioned he is "James A." (surname withheld for confidentiality) and he saw the ad from Sulit. (I failed to asked if he had an actual account name in Sulit though).  

[note from hindsight: the scammer used the name of a prospective buyer whose real name is "James A".   This prospective buyer becomes the victim of the scammer. Unfortunately, the "scammer" told the victim "James A." that he is me, so my name is at stake.]

I told him that Php 3,980 is already the best price. He said that he will make a deposit to my BDO bank account for Php 3,500. And that he will borrow the remaining balance of Php 480 to pay when he asks his Tito to pick up the item. I said OK, you can make deposit to signify that he is reserving the item and he will be picking up the item soon, with the balance to be paid during pickup.

I gave him my BDO bank account details, and he mentioned he will make the deposit tomorrow.

At around 5-6pm, he texted again saying he will try to deposit the Php 3.5k to BDO (which is still open inside SM malls). But later, he texted na hindi na siya umabot, so he will make the deposit the next day.

 

Aug. 30 - 9:29am:  "Scammer" texted me that he had already made a deposit of Php 3.5k to my BDO bank account

I contacted the bank to check if a payment has been deposited to my account -- and the bank confirmed the said payment (cash deposit).

[note from hindsight: the real "James A" deposited Php 3.5k to my bank account, not the "scammer". The "scammer" asked me to check that it has been deposited to my account. Note that the "scammer" relayed the bank info I give him to the victim "James A."]

"Scammer" then texted me that he will ask his "Tito" to go to my office to pick up the item. So I gave him our exact location to pickup the said item (Media Player). He also gave his Tito's number (09993419818) and his Tito's name, which is "James D." (ibang apelyido) and also what he is wearing. Tito texted me that he is about to arrive at my place to pick up the item.

A few moments before the Tito arrived at my place, "Scammer" called me up to say that he just looked at the detailed specs of the Media Player, and found out that it may not be compatible with his receiver (for connecting the Media Player). Scammer asked if I can refund the payment since he has changed his decision and will not buy the item. He told me to deduct Php 200 from the deposit he made and then give the refund (Php 3,300) to his Tito.

Around 1pm, his Tito arrives at my place, and told the same story -- his nephew has changed his mind about getting the Media Player, and asks for the refund, less Php 200 for the hassle they caused.   I accepted this and gave the "scammer's Tito" Php 3,300.  

[in hindsight: I should have made a written refund slip for the Php 3,300 indicating that the Tito has received the refund.

now that I think about it, the person "Tito" who came to my place could very well be the scammer -- he probably just used 2 different cellphone numbers to show that they are 2 different persons.]

Oh well, I thought this was just a cancelled transaction..

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Fast forward to today,

Sept. 3, 5pm: The bank officer of BDO where I have an account called me up and relayed about a complaint they received with regards to my account.

She said that a certain "James A" called them up, insisting he made a payment deposit of Php 3,500 to my account last weekend, and he is complaining that I did not ship the item which he paid.

I asked the bank officer what item "James A" mentioned he bought from me, the bank officer said that it was an external hard drive. I told the bank officer that "James A" did not buy an external hard drive, but was interested in purchasing a Media Player, who

This (real) "James A" told the bank that my contact number is 09476339138 daw. The bank officer said that this (real) James A. was contacting "me" (at the 094763398138 number) and could not reach me. Which is why he called up the bank, and the bank officer is now relaying this info to me.

(note: My contact number is clearly posted in my Sulit account, so if this real James A was really buying from me, he would know my contact numbers.)

I told the bank officer that the one who deposited Php 3.5k is a certain James A (who is the real James A., not the scammer who used that name), and I mentioned it was from 09476339138 who mentioned depositing the payment.

So, the real James A. told them he deposited payment to my account, and my contact # is 09476339138. The bank officer also told me that (the real) James A gave them their contact # which is 0917xxxxxxxx (I told her that the "James A" that I had in contact with had the number 09476339138, so that does not make sense.).

I told the bank that true, James A. did deposit to my account for Php 3.5k, and "James A" (the scammer)'s contact # is 09476339138.

But it was not an external hard drive, but a media player, and I have already refunded the payment since it was cancelled.

The above are the case details. I still have almost all the text messages from 09476339138 saved on my cellphone for reference, if needed. (fortunately, I had not deleted those messages yet).

 

Now, the scammer (cellphone # 09476339138) could not be contacted anymore ("unattended or out of coverage area"), since he made off with the Php 3,300 that I refunded (bank deposit payment from the "real James A.").

 

In summary:

I have not transacted with the real James A., but I had a cancelled (scammed) transaction with the scammer who told me his name is "James A" (including his Tito, which could have been one and the same person).

However, it's true that the real James A. had made a deposit to my bank account (since the scammer 09476339138 gave him my bank account details). And also since the scammer decided to cancel buying the item, I had refunded the said amount (less Php 200) to the scammer/Tito.

The victim is the real James A, who had paid Php 3.5k.

For now, I haven't any monetary loss yet, since the amount that was deposited to my account, I had refunded (less Php200) to the scammer. BUT MY NAME is at STAKE, since the scammer told the real James A, that he is ME. (so that MY NAME is now the SCAMMER). And it's true that my bank account was used in this case.

But the things that didn't jibe are: where did this real James A find out about the Scammer's products? (If this real James A had seen my items/ads in Sulit, he would have known my contact #.)  And also the scammer had been communicating with the real James A. using his cellphone number 09476339138, but impersonating as ME (and using my bank account for the payment deposit).

I haven't contacted the real James A (the bank officer gave me his number) yet to explain my side (I had not transacted with him in the first place, it was the scammer who used my name to transact with him). What should I do?

Paano po ito??? Please advice!

 


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posted September 4, 2012 05:27PM
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Nako po please report to admin about this problem.. and please ask the police kung ano dapat mong gawin.. ginamit na kasi name mo sir..

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posted September 4, 2012 05:35PM
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Hi.

If okay with you,

you can also consider to post this to the other thread we've created for scam

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+topic/id/95645/Scam+Again!

AS I can see the strategy used is the same as before "one seller and one scammer all the same but posing as two different persons all together."

You could further help us if you could post your story there.

 

Hope you will be able to settle things out.

Best regards.


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posted September 4, 2012 06:09PM
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it's a difference scheme, but still a scam.
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posted September 5, 2012 09:49AM
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naku parang similar sa nangyari sa akin before..pero sayo ang nangyari, he really posed as you..in the end the real you got burned..sa akin kasi, ako yung middle man..

naku ano ba yan, how can we be safeguarded as sellers? how do we ensure that the person/s we are dealing with are not scammers? hayy... :(
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posted September 5, 2012 10:40AM
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nag level up na scammers ah.... at ang lakas pa ng loob gumamit ng tao for such? na sa tiwala ng victim pwede rin hinoldap sa mismong bahay ng dahil sa tiwala? ingat mga kasulit.

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posted September 5, 2012 10:48PM
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magpapasko na kasi, lalo dadami yan, kailangan ng pera
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posted September 5, 2012 10:55PM
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naku, mahirap yung situation mo, since wala kang hawak na matibay na ebidensya. na-save niyo po ba text messages? sana pala may picture ka rin nung mama na nakita mo.

anyway, thanks for the information about their modus.
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posted September 11, 2012 09:08AM
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ceranafarms posted on September 5, 2012 09:49AM
naku parang similar sa nangyari sa akin before..pero sayo ang nangyari, he really posed as you..in the end the real you got burned..sa akin kasi, ako yung middle man..

naku ano ba yan, how can we be safeguarded as sellers? how do we ensure that the person/s we are dealing with are not scammers? hayy... :(


Yan na din naiisip ko. Dapat equal protection to both buyers and sellers. Di lang naman sellers ang scammers. May buyers din na scammers. 

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posted September 11, 2012 09:42AM
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madali lang naman yan, basta hindi mo nadelete yung history ng text niyo. Naipost ko na yung ganitong style doon sa "scam again" ni sir abs. Yung tito na sinasabi niya ay siya yun. Bale nagpost din siya ng ads niya na same price ng ads mo at may nakita siyang buyer, yung buyer na yun siya yung nagdeposit sayo.. hehehe

 

Just did a little quick google and i found this one..

http://www.symbianize.com/showthread.php?p=13439848

 

di ko kasi makita yung details eh ng item ng item niya. kailangan member


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posted September 11, 2012 09:52AM
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pagpalagay na inunahan ka sa time of complete transactions..

unang tanung:

"dapt ask mo sa real buyer na nagpdala sa account mo kung ano ung kontak number na nakita nya sa post mo at kung kinuntak nya un (imposible naman na wla kayong communications sa time between na nagpdal na xa ng pera sa iyo?)..another thing if meron naman how come na naintercept ng iba ung mga shared infos nyo ng real buyer mo?..ipakita mo nga sa min sa link o post mo ng item mo ,kasi makikita lang kung intresado ang isang buyer kung nagpost sa wall mo at inilagay nya ung contact nya and kamalasmalasan na kinuntak ng scammer (maybe) at nakipagtransact?..pano naman mangyayri un?malalaman at malalaman ng real buyer na ibang number na..kung nangyari nga ay ganan..so may fault dun ung real buyer..yan na lang ang pd mong panghawakan...

bakit xa nakipagkuntak sa ibang number na hindi namn listed sa post mo...so ngayon pag ginwa mo nga yan/sinabi sa real buyer..its a complex situation na ikaw rin ay prang ksali sa scam o manipulated etong pangyyari..

"SET UP"

 

mabuti ipinost mo to..napakagandang plot nito pra mangluko ng ibang tao..khit buyer o seller pd maging scammer sa manipulated na paraan..

 

 

second tanung

(at kung un mismo ang tenex nya at kung may ibang number na tenex pa xa pra sa confirmation na namagitan sa (scammer at sa kanya) ,kung mahihingi mo ung conversations na un ay may reference ka pra sa conclusion na panibago"...)

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posted September 17, 2012 04:17PM
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Cordille,

Thanks for the link.

Yes, that's the same guy. I just found out his (scammer) Sulit name: chizkarl.sulit.com.ph It's inactive now, but fortunately, Google's cache still has a record. I also found the exact item he was scamming the real "James A" (victim).

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-JQFvYRlHiMJ:www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view%2Bclassifieds/id/6371013/Toshiba%2B1TB%2B3%2B0%2BExternal%2BHard%2BDrive+sulit+ad+id+6371013&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

 

scammer's details

Looks like aside from the Toshiba external hard disk, he was also selling (or has used it for scamming) the E353 Huawei.

 

Since I have not yet met the (victim) real James A. yet, but we already had a couple of communication just recently. They were threatening to publicize my name (real name) and will likely make it look like  I'm the real scammer.

 

With the communication, I got even more surprised, the scammer (0947-6339138) with Sulit account name "Chizkarl" had already contacted the victim "James A" and he *really presented* himself as my name a day before I gave my BDO account name (August 28 was when "chizkarl" was negotiating a transaction with the would-be victim "real James A").

I thought this "Chizkarl" scammer knew my name *after* I gave him my BDO account details. But it looks like he got it from somewhere else (I use my Sulit acct name "techwiz" to do transactions) and used that real name instead of just plain "chizkarl" to transact with his would-be victim.

 

Some points:

I did  a little check. From the above cached copy of the deleted ad of the scammer, it would easily victimize potential buyers who note the "trusted seller" logo and also have 32 points of 100% feedback.  (How did this scammer get 32 points 100% feedback in just 1 month). His 1st registration in Sulit is July 30, 2012, and he successfully scammer the buyer by Aug. 28-29, 2012; just exactly 1 month later).

 

Calling the attention of Sulit to investigate how this scammer quickly got so high feedback points in such a short amount of time (I had a hard time getting feedbacks here ever since I started buying/selling here about 3-4 years ago).

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[quote]naku, mahirap yung situation mo, since wala kang hawak na matibay na ebidensya. na-save niyo po ba text messages? sana pala may picture ka rin nung mama na nakita mo.[/quote]


Yes, all text message transactions still preserved on my cellphone. I already provided a copy of the verbatim transcript of the messages to the victim who's filing complaint with me. 

Unfortunately, my mistake was I did not have a written refund slip for the amount I "refunded" to the "scammer / chizkarl". What I have on hand is only a cancelled receipt of the item that "scammer" did not pickup, which doesn't seem to be strong enough evidence. Also, I don't have the ID of this scammer, nor did I have the forethought of taking a picture of the guy...  (I don't take pictures of my buyers or would-be buyers's faces naman...)   :(


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posted September 17, 2012 04:29PM
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grabe naman yang scammer na yan...
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